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    I don't have time to watch the clips of the game, but the first to baskets by Linas are great examples of why I like him as a player.First bucket the guy is chasing him around the perimeter so Linas takes him in the post, defender tries to front him, no chance Linas just to Strong, pass over the top, 2 points. His second bucket the defender plays behind him as Linas get the ball between the wing and mid post with his back to the basket, reverse pivot, jab step, jumper, 2 more points. Great foot work and showing he can score form all over the floor.

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    Thank you for posting the game clips!
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    A few things from watching the game.

    Linas Kleiza is a perfect hired gunner from the bench. He can score in bunches although he could be inconsistent. Having him off the bench allows him to excel at what he does best; chuck and score. His defense is not the greatest. Often times, when Venezuela ran a pick and roll and Lithuania would switch, Kleiza is left on the perimeter to guard Venezuela's ball handler (usually Vasquez). Kleiza cannot cover a quick guy & he will get blown by. Grievis Vasquez isn't the fastest athlete, but he is crafty enough to shake his man with adapt ball handling and hesitation. With that said, Kleiza's mobility has not come back fully from the injury and I really do not expect him to recover fully -- mobility, athleticism. Therefore, I see some 3's really exposing him in the perimeter. His role will be best suited as a bench spark plug. *But when his shot is on, Kleiza can put up 25.

    Jonas ..... Jonas is perfect for Steve Nash. I am hoping, wishing, praying for Nash to come to Toronto. Jonas really runs down the paint after setting a screen. He attracts the defense & sucks them in, allowing for shooters in the corner / slot to get open. A point guard like Nash would be perfect, since he has the ability to make tight passes, especially the bounce pass. A one dribble bounce pass to the running Jonas for a wide open layup is more than feasible.

    That is about everything Jonas did well in the game. Defensively, he shows too hard, allowing guards to split the hedge. Although he is long and mobile enough to stop a drive, by showing too hard, he allows his man to get open on the roll. When Lithuania's guards get blown by, Jonas is late and out of position to help. He does not go straight up and leaves his feet on the challenge. I guess this is where Dwane Casey comes in. Jonas needs to learn these things, understand help side rotation and learn to challenge without fouling.

    Also, Jonas needs to add strength. Offensively, when he rolls to the basket and a defender meets him, Jonas loses position and gets pushed out of the box. Granted, Jonas can hold his own more than Ed Davis. But it is imperative for Jonas to add more strength and I understand it will come along as he gets older.

    Offensively, Jonas didn't show much in the game. His form is good and he has a nice touch. I would think that added strength especially upper body strength will allow him to finish better around the rim. The game reminded me just how young Jonas really is. However, I like his competitiveness and enthusiasm on the court. Also, Lithuania did not really look at giving him touches in the post. Their offense mainly relied on shooting, which I expected.
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    Quote torch19 wrote: View Post
    A few things from watching the game.

    Linas Kleiza is a perfect hired gunner from the bench. He can score in bunches although he could be inconsistent. Having him off the bench allows him to excel at what he does best; chuck and score. His defense is not the greatest. Often times, when Venezuela ran a pick and roll and Lithuania would switch, Kleiza is left on the perimeter to guard Venezuela's ball handler (usually Vasquez). Kleiza cannot cover a quick guy & he will get blown by. Grievis Vasquez isn't the fastest athlete, but he is crafty enough to shake his man with adapt ball handling and hesitation. With that said, Kleiza's mobility has not come back fully from the injury and I really do not expect him to recover fully -- mobility, athleticism. Therefore, I see some 3's really exposing him in the perimeter. His role will be best suited as a bench spark plug. *But when his shot is on, Kleiza can put up 25.

    Jonas ..... Jonas is perfect for Steve Nash. I am hoping, wishing, praying for Nash to come to Toronto. Jonas really runs down the paint after setting a screen. He attracts the defense & sucks them in, allowing for shooters in the corner / slot to get open. A point guard like Nash would be perfect, since he has the ability to make tight passes, especially the bounce pass. A one dribble bounce pass to the running Jonas for a wide open layup is more than feasible.

    That is about everything Jonas did well in the game. Defensively, he shows too hard, allowing guards to split the hedge. Although he is long and mobile enough to stop a drive, by showing too hard, he allows his man to get open on the roll. When Lithuania's guards get blown by, Jonas is late and out of position to help. He does not go straight up and leaves his feet on the challenge. I guess this is where Dwane Casey comes in. Jonas needs to learn these things, understand help side rotation and learn to challenge without fouling.

    Also, Jonas needs to add strength. Offensively, when he rolls to the basket and a defender meets him, Jonas loses position and gets pushed out of the box. Granted, Jonas can hold his own more than Ed Davis. But it is imperative for Jonas to add more strength and I understand it will come along as he gets older.

    Offensively, Jonas didn't show much in the game. His form is good and he has a nice touch. I would think that added strength especially upper body strength will allow him to finish better around the rim. The game reminded me just how young Jonas really is. However, I like his competitiveness and enthusiasm on the court. Also, Lithuania did not really look at giving him touches in the post. Their offense mainly relied on shooting, which I expected.
    Jonas should get more time next game vs Nigeria, cause that game should be easy for LT (expecting +20 win over Nigeria easily). BTW our main center Javtokas have fucked up legs (horrible motorcycle crash when he was young - shattered both of his femurs - pretty much metal instead of thigh-bones). so Javtokas get's tired quickly - Jonas should get at least 20 mins majority of the games. when he get's more comfortable with our guards - it's gonna be way better

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    Quote enlightenment wrote: View Post
    Stats?
    FIBA page has all the stats

    http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng...sid//game.html

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    Kleiza was the prime reason (in my mind anyway) why LT won the bronze at the last World championships. If I am not mistaken he was captain of that team (can someone confirm). He has value beyond the court like not being intimidated by some of the toughies in the L. Keep him, he is good depth.

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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    Kleiza was the prime reason (in my mind anyway) why LT won the bronze at the last World championships. If I am not mistaken he was captain of that team (can someone confirm). He has value beyond the court like not being intimidated by some of the toughies in the L. Keep him, he is good depth.
    no he was not the captain - Robertas Javtokas was captain - cause he was the oldest guy in the team. BTW the reason why LT won bronze in WC - was the whole team. the atmosphere in the team is ridiculously good - they are like brothers.

    but YES Kleiza acts like a leader on the court most of the time. he is one of those guys who would kill for his teammate
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    Wow, Aminu is so wet on the left block.

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    Quote Prime wrote: View Post
    Wow, Aminu is so wet on the left block.
    sick game. LT playing horrible - Nigeria best game of their life

    LT needs not to lose more than 9 points to stay first in the group

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    yeah as i said +20 LTU

    /sarcasm off

    at least we still get the first place in group. but loosing to nigeria...

    i'll prolly upload the game later

    http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng...sid//game.html
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    I hope LK has called in his Secret Police squad to keep Lithuania safe in Nigeria after that ending!

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I hope LK has called in his Secret Police squad to keep Lithuania safe in Nigeria after that ending!
    lol venezuela gonna freaking kill LT team. they needed us to win to get trough

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    Venezuelans must be really fuming right now towards the Lithuanians. First the timeout, now this?

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    Lithuania should send the Raptors notes on how to tank properly.

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    Just seen the boxscores. Looks like Diogu and Aminu were too much for Lithuanian bigs to handle.
    Can I watch the highlights somewhere?

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    Not the best quality but watchable (might upload better quality later today) - other quarters coming up soon



    other quarters are up for some time already if you haven't noticed (check my youtube chanell - too lazy to embed here)
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    Default NBA Article: Jonas Valanciunas

    Merge if needed.

    http://www.nba.com/2012/news/feature...s=iref:nbahpt1

    Waiting game pays off for Raptors and '11 pick Valanciunas

    Posted Jul 6 2012 10:32AM
    The Toronto Raptors have survived the test of patience and won the waiting game. They chose center Jonas Valanciunas fifth overall in the June 2011 NBA Draft, knowing he would spend another season in his native Lithuania, felt the barrage of criticism as they limped toward a 23-43 finish in 2011-12 with no lottery pick to provide hope for the future, and now have the payback.
    If Valanciunas would have been picked in the 2012 Draft last week, after playing the season with Lietuvos Rytas in Lithuania?
    "I'd say he goes 2," one general manager said recently. "If he's in the Draft based on his body of work over the last 12 months, then I think he goes 2."

    "I think No. 2," another executive said. "He was 5 last year, and you could say this is a stronger Draft class (in 2012). But considering his size and how hard he plays, and that he's been playing professional basketball another year, it certainly wouldn't be any lower than he was last year."
    "Second or third," said a personnel veteran. "He didn't get any worse, that's for sure. He's really good."
    Good enough that Valanciunas at No. 5 in 2011 is going to turn out to be an excellent investment, even if he didn't play in the NBA at all last year?
    "Absolutely," the third executive said.
    It almost didn't happen for Toronto. The Cavaliers should have taken Valanciunas with the fourth choice. They needed a center and had already lucked into the No. 1 pick by virtue of a trade with the Clippers that turned gold when L.A.'s selection won the lottery. The Cavs took Kyrie Irving, the eventual Rookie of the Year, so the miss on Valanciunas was much more palatable. Even though he would have been a Lithuanian center in a city where a Lithuanian center, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, was one of the popular athletes of his generation in any sport.
    Cleveland passing on Valanciunas in favor of power forward Tristan Thompson started a chain reaction that only last week became clear. The Cavaliers couldn't go power forward again in 2012, also at No. 4, so they passed on Thomas Robinson to take Dion Waiters. Maybe Waiters and the potential of a high-scoring guard would have been the choice no matter what. Either way, the Cavs had to circle back later in the first round, trading picks 24, 33 and 34 to the Mavericks for a center at No. 17, Tyler Zeller. Valanciunas, Irving and Waiters or Robinson hold much more promise than Irving, Thompson, Waiters and Zeller.
    Toronto made the investment instead, the kind of long-term plotting that general manager Bryan Colangelo had in mind when he said in February that, "I think most (people in Toronto) get it. But there is a vocal minority that are not happy with where we are as a team. I'm actually quite comfortable with where we are as a team because I see the future. It's hard to explain in the short term and it's very difficult to go through because losing is terrible. But I see the future, let's put it that way."
    The positive reviews for Valanciunas help as the Raptors -- all Toronto, really -- absorb the body blow of being turned down in free agency by Canadian hero Steve Nash. On Thursday, the Raptors bounced back by agreeing to acquire point guard Kyle Lowry from the Rockets. Going through a second consecutive summer league without their center of the future -- this time as he remains with the Lithuanian national team in preparation for the Olympics -- does nothing to diminish the new hope.
    Waiting has paid off for other teams, too. Combo forward Nikola Mirotic, who went 23rd in 2011, officially chosen by the Rockets before landing in Chicago, has likewise appreciated in value after spending last season in Spain. If he was in the 2012 draft?
    "Maybe back end of the lottery," one executive said in a common opinion.
    Said one personnel boss, particularly impressed with Mirotic's trajectory: "Eight to 12."
    Donatas Motiejunas, meanwhile, probably maintained his 2011 standing. He went 20th then, taken by the Timberwolves and quickly moved to the Rockets, and likely would have been taken somewhere close to that last week, executives say.

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    You posted an article featured on the front page of NBA.com?

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    Quote chrischris wrote: View Post
    You posted an article featured on the front page of NBA.com?
    Yessir Just seeing some type of Raptors relevance on the front page should some what be enlightening.

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