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    As I said way to early.. but its a pretty lazy Sunday afternoon and I broke 90 today... Breaking it up into tiers..So here goes.

    Top Tier / Team to Beat

    Cavs. The best team money can buy. They still have LeBron and he is still in his prime. What they need to happen to be lead dog in the east is to stay healthy all year. The come to Jesus moment would be any type of an injury to LBJ.

    In the Mix / Could be there if everything goes Right. This is in no particular order

    Hawks Horford is in a contract year. They have two, count em two really good PG in Schroeder and Teague. Millsap is a pros pro. Slowing them down is the one that got away.... Demarre Carroll.
    Whiz Wall and Beal are that good. Gortat is more than adequate in the middle. Porter could build on his playoff coming out party. Jared Dudley adds another solid scorer and a steadying influence in the room. These guys stay healthy and they can challenge for #1 seed.

    The Missouri Tier - Show me please. This is in no particular order

    Bulls. The band is back intact. However they have a new coach, a new system, new assistant coaches. What isn't new is Derrick Roses knees, Taj Gibsons knees and Joakim Noah's knee. Everyone is also one year older. Jimmy Butler is an ascendant star but is the band good enough ?
    Raps. If you believe defense wins in the playoffs then this years edition of the Dino's looks good. We fixed the SF slot and got stronger in the backcourt in a guards league. To challenge the top dog we need to see that next step from the bigs, an especially big step is required from one ice fishing Lithuanian who has to find a consistent 10 to 12 foot jumper. JV has to dump the pump fake and borrow the Nike slogan. Just do it baby. Bizmak has to provide interior rebounding and defense. If the bigs advance so will the Drakes.
    Bucks. They get a bona fide inside scoring with their FA coup Greg Monroe. They have some crazy length and athleticism with Giannas and Parker and Henson. Achilles heel is the guards with MCW and GV. MCW is a turnover machine and can't shoot that well. GV will help but he didn't get any faster in a green uni than he was in Raps red. They will be better than last year but jury is still out.

    The Overhyped Tier. Just not buying what they are selling. This is in no particular order

    Heat. Dragic is good but he is now 30. He likes the night life. He is in South Beach. Bosh is an all star and will be a HOF'er. He also has had blood clots on his lungs. Dwayne Wade is like your windshield with that small crack in it that at any time could just shatter. Winslow is a great get but he is a rook. Rooks don't help that much. They have no bench to speak of. Whats there is old. So please please please lets stop with the jaurernaut from south florida stuff.
    Celtics For all the hype and bluster out of ESPN and CBS Danny Ainge really did squat this offseason. Got shut out at the draft. Pretty much got shut out in FA. The band is pretty much back as is with no real impact players coming on stream. They have a good coach. Probably good for a couple of wins that they really shouldn't get. But thats all. In the fight for a 7-8 playoff seed and thats it. Saint Danny better do better than what he did this year at the draft table next year and inking some FA's or there will be some "splaining to do"

    The Great Unwashed. Woulda- Coulda - Shouda. This is in no particular order

    Indy. Paul George is back. No one else is. Even with Monta Ellis its going to be a tough year for Larry Legends crew.
    Nets. They finally unloaded Derron Williams. Only a bit longer to wait on JJ for that albatross deal to go away. Lopez is back and will make them respectable but the turnover has started with a lot of young guys. And just when you think BIlly Knight isn't as big a doofus as he shows.. he signs Primo Pasta.
    Pistons Stan got a winner in the draft with Stanley Johnston but he is a rookie. Drummond is now on his own without Monroe and Reggie Jackson gets to run the show. Better than last year but still some pieces away.
    Magic. New coach and a lot of talented players. To bad they ALL seem to be on the wing. Guards are great but struggle to shoot the 3. Potential scoring machine in Hezjona but potential is just that. Have to see it a few times to say its real.
    Knicks Carmelo is back. Don't know if I am bragging or apologizing. Another long year in Gotham but they are going to field a better team than last years bag of excrement.
    Charlotte. Got Nick Batum. Wish we did. Unfortuately for the Hornets they still have Walker, Kidd Ghilcrist and an aging Al Jefferson. Two kids who look exactly the same in Kaminsky and Zeller. More of the same from last year.

    Continuing to Suck Large. This is in no particular order

    Sixers . As long as Sam Hinkie is GM in Philly the Sixers will continue to suck. Embiid is out for another year. Saric is stuck in Europe. Noel is good but not great. Their first overall pick Okafor would rather be anyplace else. But the future is bright in year 4 of the tank. Its looking bad now and its going to be ugly when the good burghers of Philly realize they have been swindled by Hinkie.
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    Quote Demographic Shift wrote: View Post
    B]Sixers [/B]. As long as Sam Hinkie is GM in Philly the Sixers will continue to suck. Embiid is out for another year. Saric is stuck in Europe. Noel is good but not great. Their first overall pick Okafor would rather be anyplace else. But the future is bright in year 5 of the tank. Its looking bad now and its going to be ugly when the good burghers of Philly realize they have been swindled by Hinkie.
    I guess if you live in Philly, it may feel like year 5, but this will only be year 3 of Hinkie's tank.
    If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.

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    Quote Demographic Shift wrote: View Post
    As I said way to early.. but its a pretty lazy Sunday afternoon and I broke 90 today... Breaking it up into tiers..So here goes.

    Top Tier / Team to Beat ....
    Thanks for this. I'll be very interested to see how others (who have a better overall understanding of all this than I have) respond.
    "When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die. ... Gather wood and warm things, LeBron - Winter is Coming."

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    Quote 3inthekeon wrote: View Post
    I guess if you live in Philly, it may feel like year 5, but this will only be year 3 of Hinkie's tank.
    OK..not 5 years... but for sure entering the 4th year of the tank...
    It must seem like a lifetime if your a season ticket holder.

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    2014-15 Philadelphia 18 - 64 .220 4th Atlantic Division - - DNQ
    2013-14 Philadelphia 19 - 63 .232 5th Atlantic Division - - DNQ
    2012-13 Philadelphia 34 - 48 .415 4th Atlantic Division - - DNQ

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    Tanking is trying to lose. Philly was actually trying to win in 2012-13, they just weren't good at winning. This will be 3rd year of tank, 4th year of losing.
    If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.

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    Quote 3inthekeon wrote: View Post
    Tanking is trying to lose. Philly was actually trying to win in 2012-13, they just weren't good at winning. This will be 3rd year of tank, 4th year of losing.
    Its semantics re tanking and not being good at winning. They sucked three years ago, they suck now and they are going to suck for the forseeable future. So far Hinkies ponzi scheme has got them Greg Oden 2.0 in Embiid, a guy stuck in Europe who isnt learning your system and isnt learning the NBA game, a potentially petulant assmuppet in Okafor if he wants out.

    Noel is a keeper but needs a pantload of help.

    I just can't wait for the reaction when after 6 years of sucking Philly fields a team that goes 43 and 39 and Hinkie declares victory.

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    Aside: Yeah, the Nets got Primo Pasta, but they got him at the vet minimum, and even if they wind up playing him as their starting 4 due to injury or weird coaching, the Nets have Lopez at the 5, which will go a long way towards covering up his deficiencies. It's not going to put the Nets over the top by any stretch of the imagination, but it's actually a pretty good move for the nets in terms of treading water salary cap wise.

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    Quote Demographic Shift wrote: View Post
    Its semantics re tanking and not being good at winning. They sucked three years ago, they suck now and they are going to suck for the forseeable future. So far Hinkies ponzi scheme has got them Greg Oden 2.0 in Embiid, a guy stuck in Europe who isnt learning your system and isnt learning the NBA game, a potentially petulant assmuppet in Okafor if he wants out.

    Noel is a keeper but needs a pantload of help.

    I just can't wait for the reaction when after 6 years of sucking Philly fields a team that goes 43 and 39 and Hinkie declares victory.
    Ponzi wasn't around three years ago, that's the year when they were trying to win with Bynum. When they failed, they hired Hinkie to clean up the mess.

    By the way, I think he's been very good, if we are judging by improvement in talent and assets, instead of just losses over two years.

    Situation A, Philly two years ago when they hired Hinkie: your team's stars are Jrue Holiday and Thad Young, and your own 1st round pick next year is traded to Orlando.

    Situation B, now: your team has Nerlens Noel, Embiid, Okafor, Saric in Europe and a shit load of picks, including next year's Lakers, Miami, future Sacramento picks.
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    I think the Hawks are a touch better than suggested if only because a (healthy) Sefolosha will fill Carroll's void defensively - but they're still not the real deal. I also think the Magic and Bucks will both win games in the playoffs. They won't go to the conference finals, but the Bucks, especially, seem like the young, energetic and promising team the Bulls were just a few years ago (minus the MVP).

    I like your logic across the board; it'll be exciting to see how close your projections turn out to be.

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    You are underselling the HEat, they are better than Us, at least in playoff basketball
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    To me Miami, Washington, Atlanta, Toronto, Chicago are all in the same tier and could all land anywhere from the 2 to 6 seeds.

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    Quote TheWaterboy wrote: View Post
    Aside: Yeah, the Nets got Primo Pasta, but they got him at the vet minimum, and even if they wind up playing him as their starting 4 due to injury or weird coaching, the Nets have Lopez at the 5, which will go a long way towards covering up his deficiencies. It's not going to put the Nets over the top by any stretch of the imagination, but it's actually a pretty good move for the nets in terms of treading water salary cap wise.
    How in the world can Lopez cover for Bargnani when he himself is a bad defender and rebounder?

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    You are underselling the HEat, they are better than Us, at least in playoff basketball
    Yes I am underselling the Heat. Mainstream US media has faves and this is one of them. They ARE overhyped.
    Lots needs to go right for them to live up to their billing.

    Bosh needs to have fully recovered from a pretty serious medical condition.
    Wade needs to stay healthy. Track record is that he can't. I think the over under on games played for him this year is 45.
    Hassan Whiteside is a potential grenade ready to go off. Who will we see. Last years version who made big strides in the NBA or will he revert to old Hassan ... the guy who spent 4 years in the D League and has reputation as a bit of an idiot with his teammates ?
    Gerald Green is the second coming of Micheal Beazly. Red flashing light on this guy.
    Dragic is now 29 (not 30). He likes the night life. He is in South Beach.

    Not sold on the Heat.

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    Quote Demographic Shift wrote: View Post

    Not sold on the Heat.
    Neither am I but the Raptors did win 47 games with Bosh at one point with less talent then what he got in Miami so in the weak East that is a possibility. But alot of things have to go right in Miami for them to even get to 45 wins so I will say around 40+ wins is their probability which should be enough to grab the 8th or 7th playoffs spot.

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    You're way behind the times. We already had this same thread a couple of weeks ago.....

    It's time to start talking about our 2016-17 Eastern Conference predictions.

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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    You're way behind the times. We already had this same thread a couple of weeks ago.....

    It's time to start talking about our 2016-17 Eastern Conference predictions.
    Lol OK so after Lebron failing to win again with the Cavs, he opts out of his contract and signs with the Clippers. So with the starting line up of the future Raptors of Lowry-Batum-Carroll-Horford-Jv the Raptors should win the East and will meet and beat the Clippers in the finals. A statue of Masai will be erected near the ACC and on the bottom it will say "Fuck the Clippers!!"

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    Quote Hotshot wrote: View Post
    Neither am I but the Raptors did win 47 games with Bosh at one point with less talent then what he got in Miami so in the weak East that is a possibility. But alot of things have to go right in Miami for them to even get to 45 wins so I will say around 40+ wins is their probability which should be enough to grab the 8th or 7th playoffs spot.
    Have them in that range as well....6 to 8 if Bosh is 100%....If he needs more time for his lung condition to completely recover and plays 45 games like Wade...They miss the playoffs.

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    Quote Demographic Shift wrote: View Post
    Yes I am underselling the Heat. Mainstream US media has faves and this is one of them. They ARE overhyped.
    Lots needs to go right for them to live up to their billing.

    Bosh needs to have fully recovered from a pretty serious medical condition.
    Wade needs to stay healthy. Track record is that he can't. I think the over under on games played for him this year is 45.
    Hassan Whiteside is a potential grenade ready to go off. Who will we see. Last years version who made big strides in the NBA or will he revert to old Hassan ... the guy who spent 4 years in the D League and has reputation as a bit of an idiot with his teammates ?
    Gerald Green is the second coming of Micheal Beazly. Red flashing light on this guy.
    Dragic is now 29 (not 30). He likes the night life. He is in South Beach.

    Not sold on the Heat.
    All speculation. How about the following narrative: Bosh comes up healthy and posts his average numbers, Wade plays healthy, Whiteside continues his dominance and Winslow wins rookie of the year? I'd take JWash's assessment.
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    Quote vino wrote: View Post
    All speculation. How about the following narrative: Bosh comes up healthy and posts his average numbers, Wade plays healthy, Whiteside continues his dominance and Winslow wins rookie of the year? I'd take JWash's assessment.
    Difference of opinion is welcomed. Its what being a sports fan is all about.
    Not changing my view on the South Beach hospital and physiatric ward and how they finish.
    We shall see next March who gets to eat crow.
    But I think you had better bring the ketchup.

    49, 69, 53, 62....total reg season games played by one Dwade over the last 4 years.
    While summer league can mean the grand total of nothing Justice Winslow didn't make the early top 10 list coming out of summer league. Big jump from there to ROY.
    http://www.nba.com/2015/news/feature...:specialsfull4
    Winslow’s final summer league numbers, including four games in Orlando and six overall: 9 points per game, 34 percent shooting from the field (14 for 41), 3 for 12 on three-pointers, 12 turnovers and 9 assists." Not exactly killer debut.
    However for what its worth Bosh says he is feeling good and is on track for training camp.
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    Miami is all about health. On paper, the potential to be scary good is there: 2 future HoFs (Bosh, Wade) and 2 other guys who have been all-stars or all-NBA (Deng, Dragic). A dominant, long, mobile & hungry rim protector (Whiteside). An elite coach, Spo (debatable). A decent, experienced bench.

    The talent is there, in spades. It's all on health + Spoelstra to make them gel. Much higher talent level than the Raps, IMO.

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