If Hedo got 53M for 5 years.. Chandler will be asking for something like $50 for 4 years. That's a big piece of the cap space pie.. not sure I'd be up for that. If this is to see if Bargnani can play PF then that's a huge risk that I just don't want to take.
If you really need a center and don't want a scrub, then I'd go after Dalembert. He has a Philly connection (so Stefanski can help out there). In my opinion he's just as good as Chandler without the heavy price tag, plus has Canadian roots - and would drive Rautins crazy - which would be fun to watch.
For those advocating a hard press to acquire Chandler, wouldn't D Jordan (i know a RFA) be a better asset probably for les money? Though Chandler was terrific last year he was not a difference maker on lesser teams and does have an injory history. I havea feeling that this is a case of buying high...really high if he agrees because of all the suitors for his services. Frontload a Jordan offer and we get a player very comparable with more upside, younger and a asset for future acquisition if JV turns out what we hope he does.
Chandler is nothing but fool's gold. If we overspend to acquire this guy, the only thing it'll prove is that Colangelo doesn't learn from his mistakes.
Finding a defensive centre for one inconsequential season is not a high priority if we have our defensive centre arriving next year. I'd rather have Calderon play the 5 this year than overspend on Chandler.
I've said this before, and its been said in this thread, Chandler seems to have a tendency to play to the level of his team. He would be a great asset to a veteran/experienced team that is competitive.
I have little faith that his play on this team would end up being what fans expect from him.
- This whole scenario, for me, depends on Bargnani. If he doesn't become the player we all wish he would, then it fails. If he does become the player we all wish he would be then, in my opinion, he would be an All-Star. History is not on my side here but, for the reasons listed above in #2, I'm putting my faith in him.
- A wing to go after, in case the Raptors cannot get one in the draft, would be Wilson Chandler. He is starter material in the NBA. When he becomes available in March, the Raptors should keep the new $2.5M exception and give it all to him for one year. Why? Hopefully no one else will be able to offer as much money for the last 15-20 games for the season (that would be the equivalent of $7.5-10M for a pro-rated contract). Also the Raptors would then have Birds Rights* in re-signing him meaning they could offer an extra year and 7.5% raises versus 4.5%. (*I am assuming this to be the case, I could be wrong but I don't think so).
- The Raptors should have about $10M in cap space next year - give as much of it as necessary to acquire Steve Nash for 2-3 years. Hopefully the Raptors make a run at the playoffs and pick in the mid teens and draft Kabongo.
- Trade Ed Davis to Detroit for their 2012 draft pick. ED and Monroe would make a great front court pairing long term. Toronto uses Detroit's draft pick to get a wing (Kidd-Gilchrist or Quincy Miller).
Now this all starts with the Raptors signing Tyson Chandler. If the chain of events went according to plan (unlikely would be as much of a reach as my new found expectations for Bargnani) the roster would be looking like this in 2012-13:
PG: Nash, Kabongo
SF: W Chandler, Miller/Kidd-Gilchrist, JJ
PF: Bargnani, Amir, Kleiza
C: T. Chandler, JV, Alabi
Help would be needed at SG if Barbosa was not resigned. We also have a 2012 second round draft pick or other trade bait available.
Your whole scenario not completely exploding in Colangelo's face, as you say, is Bargnani doing what no rational human being should expect, and that's to go against 5 years of history and change his personality completely. The chance of this happening, in my opinion, is far less than the chance of simply playing out the season with what they have and drafting a franchise player in June. To me, that's like eschewing the stock market in favour of buy lottery tickets as an investment portfolio.
And if it fails they can be traded at the trade deadline. Chandler will always have value as long as he is not injured. Bargnani's value will always be in the eye of the beholder. Guaranteed another GM will take a gamble on all his 'potential'.
one thing the raps have always been known for was having great young talent.. daman, VC,Tmac, camby, bosh, to name a few.. our prob. revolves around keeping the guys we have... why u may ask.... because we NEVER win...were always talking tanking... the endless rebuild... i for 1 am tired of that.. we need to create a winning attitude..all the top teams have it...since when have any of them advocated tanking??? NEVER
while i some what agree to triano working with what he had... he never exactly bread confidence..& his defensive scheme was trash.. u play guys staight up till u need help... not constantly try to stear peeps into help defence... its way too predictable..
ive said my piece
u have the right to your opinion as do I
If, and that's a big if, Bargnani makes a significant leap forward, then you have a best case scenario. If he does not, you now have more flexibility on creating a package which includes Bargnani being shipped for a better player. The worst case scenario for the Raptors is if Chandler loses value very quickly.
I wouldnt mind having Dalembert either. I think with the current Raps roster and when JV comes in, I think Chandler is a better fit. He's an excellent pick and roll center and we have a really good pick and roll PG. Plus he gets a lot of his points on putbacks which the Raps need since Bargnani likes to play on the perimeter.
But a GM might say, "He needs a change of scenery." or, "He will work better with our coach." or, "We just traded for Dwight Howard and now we have Messina as an assistant so lets see what happens with Bargnani here in LakerLand."
Colangelo has always shown the ability to get rid of a contract and if what I proposed failed, the Raptors are looking at one of the worst teams in the league anyways.
To me it is a low risk, high reward proposition (high reward if it succeeds and high reward if it failed - unless Chandler got injured).
Okay fine.. I do believe in stupid GM's.. it's what makes the NBA go round. I'm sure Bryan will have less options available to him, and we may end up getting back a worse contract then Bargnani's. But...
There is just one thing that irks me about this plan.. if it doesn't work (and I really don't think it will) then we could end up moving down the draft ladder, and could miss out on a top end player like Davis, Sullinger, Drummond or Barnes. We have a chance to get someone that good - I really don't want to miss it.
And I don't think Detroit will give up their first rounder (unprotected) for Ed Davis. The only way Detroit gives up their pick is if you take Villanueva or Gordon with it (assuming they amnesty Hamilton), and the last thing we need is another PF or another SG, neither of which play a lick of defense.
And unlike other sports, in the NBA a single player can make a big impact on a team, so trying to draft high actually makes a lot of sense.
If he did well with Dallas last year, i think he'll do well with the Raps too, since some of the Mavs players have similar skillsets as some Raptors players. Both have a pass first PG, a slashing SG and a perimeter bigman.
I suspect he will always have some trade value because there is almost always a team in contention which thinks it needs just that kind of piece to put them over the top as the trade deadline approaches. It's unlikely the Raptors would maximize his trade value at that point but they would likely get something of value in return.
From my perspective, I have no problem pairing whatsoever pairing Bargnani with a defensive big man this year rather than wait for one year and see how he pairs up with an early work in progress like JV. If the experiment fails with an finsihed product like Chandler, you know Bargnani is the main issue; if the experiment fails next year with JV, you will have to determine how much of it was due to JV's inexperience (best case) or talent level (worst case). As much as Ed Davis looks like he will be a force on the defensive end, in my opinion he showed many more encourgaing signs he will be good than he actually was good. Nothing special with that; there is always an adjustment to make when you move to a much higher level of competition and he did miss training camp.
In my opinion, answerinbg questions early provides more opportunities to make the correct personel decisions and to create contingency plans with less variance. Again, just in my opinion, I think the Raptors are better off long-term creatng a sustainable winning environment than gambling they are just one franchise player to be a contender in a few short years.
Coz if you put out pretty much the same team last year and you well know that the team didnt perform well, then historically speaking, shouldnt you be expecting the same results, which is "not winning"?
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