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    TORONTO - Amir Johnson was the last Raptor to report to camp, but his recovery from off-season ankle surgery appears well on track.

    A noticeably bigger Johnson – he said he was up to 256 pounds after finishing a grueling season at 235 – pegged his ankle at 95%.

    New Raptors head coach Dwane Casey said he liked what he saw from Johnson and the rest of the team.

    “I saw no symptoms of his ankle,” Casey said.

    “Health wise I thought we were in good shape. We’ll see after tonight, but I saw no ill effects of anyone’s summer whatsoever.”

    Weight gain

    Johnson joked that his weight gain was a result of spending the off-season “drinking Canadian brew,” before elaborating on his rehab.

    While extremely unrealistic, Johnson is setting the bar for his season as high as possible.

    “One of my goals is to try to get defensive player of the year, that’s what I’m looking forward to … offence comes second,” Johnson said.

    That’s the type of attitude Casey is looking for.

    His first practice as Raptors head coach was entirely based on defence. The only offence the club produced was at the free throw line.

    “We’re a work in progress defensively,” Casey admitted.

    “The number one thing we talked about was changing the culture and we started that process today.

    “The culture of toughness and a defensive focus.”

    Casey said he wasn’t nervous to get started, maybe a little anxious. Definitely excited.

    He added that working in new additions over the next few days (Mickael Pietrus and Gary Forbes are the strongest possibilities) would force him to repeat some things in practice, but didn’t see that as a bad thing at all.
    Source: TorontoSun.com


    Awesome to hear Amir is striving for defensive player of the year.

    To me it is a little worrisome he is anywhere near 250lbs. He has a history of ankle problems and weight won't help. Agility, speed, and leaping were some of his strengths that he used to his advantage.

    I hope I'm wrong and time will tell but I don't feel good about this.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
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    Awesome to hear Amir is striving for defensive player of the year.

    To me it is a little worrisome he is anywhere near 250lbs. He has a history of ankle problems and weight won't help. Agility, speed, and leaping were some of his strengths that he used to his advantage.

    I hope I'm wrong and time will tell but I don't feel good about this.
    If there's one player that really needs to shine this year, it's Amir. This team cannot afford to wait any longer.
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    If Alex McKechnie is as good as we're hearing, I'm sure Amir's weight won't be a problem. He'll probably lose 10 lbs. before Xmas.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    If Alex McKechnie is as good as we're hearing, I'm sure Amir's weight won't be a problem. He'll probably lose 10 lbs. before Xmas.
    Umm...that's 10 lbs lost in 2 weeks...maybe but if he's not even at 100% (just the ankle, not counting the beer gut), do you want to try and push him that hard? Again, I think the concern is definitely that he'll get re-injured before he gets back into shape. No need to rush Amir back. We can get some extra burn for Ed early in the season and limit Amir's minutes. I don't see a problem with that.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Umm...that's 10 lbs lost in 2 weeks...maybe but if he's not even at 100% (just the ankle, not counting the beer gut), do you want to try and push him that hard? Again, I think the concern is definitely that he'll get re-injured before he gets back into shape. No need to rush Amir back. We can get some extra burn for Ed early in the season and limit Amir's minutes. I don't see a problem with that.
    At his age and weight, 10 lbs shouldn't be difficult to lose. I was a few years older when I lost 10 pounds in a week simply be eating less.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    At his age and weight, 10 lbs shouldn't be difficult to lose. I was a few years older when I lost 10 pounds in a week simply be eating less.
    Did you actually reply that? I mean I'm not saying he can't lose it in 2 weeks. .but I doubt you and him share a similar body type and lifestyle. Also don't forget that they're not just going to try and run his weight off. He has to get stronger. Also he's clearly going to have to eat more, you know, since he's a pro athlete with a physically grueling schedule. Sigh.....I just don't know why you'd even make that comparison.

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    Quote Balls of Steel wrote: View Post
    If there's one player that really needs to shine this year, it's Amir. This team cannot afford to wait any longer.
    I'm not sure why. He earned his contract last season. He's proven EXTREMELY valuable to the team. He doesn't have a major flaw that would prevent him from contributing to a contender.

    You think he needs shine more than DeRozan or Bargnani? Or Bayless? Of James Johnson? The last two guys probably have more riding on this year than anyone. Are their real players or are they going to be scrubs for the rest of their career?
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    I'm not sure why. He earned his contract last season. He's proven EXTREMELY valuable to the team. He doesn't have a major flaw that would prevent him from contributing to a contender.

    You think he needs shine more than DeRozan or Bargnani? Or Bayless? Of James Johnson? The last two guys probably have more riding on this year than anyone. Are their real players or are they going to be scrubs for the rest of their career?
    JJ at least has the comfort of one more guaranteed year. It is do or die for Bayless.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    JJ at least has the comfort of one more guaranteed year. It is do or die for Bayless.
    Isn't next year a team option for Johnson? It doesn't say so on Hoopshype, but usually the season before the qualifying year is a team option, in the rookie contract.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    Isn't next year a team option for Johnson? It doesn't say so on Hoopshype, but usually the season before the qualifying year is a team option, in the rookie contract.
    It is a team option... final year of rookie contract. Those rookie years have to be picked up before the start of the season. Last year I believe it was October 30 or 31. So before December 25, the Raps (and all teams with rookie contracts) will have to make a decision on the next year of the rookie deal.

    You are right though... it is not guaranteed yet. I think it is a mere formality though.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    I'm not sure why. He earned his contract last season. He's proven EXTREMELY valuable to the team. He doesn't have a major flaw that would prevent him from contributing to a contender.

    You think he needs shine more than DeRozan or Bargnani? Or Bayless? Of James Johnson? The last two guys probably have more riding on this year than anyone. Are their real players or are they going to be scrubs for the rest of their career?
    This comment is not because I hate his game. I'm one of the few that vehemently defends the guy. I'm merely stating this due to the crowded front court situation. If he's the main big off the bench, that's what he needs to strive for. JV arriving next year, with the rise of Ed and Bargs (so anchored to the franchise, he's considering to become Canadian), its going to be more competitive than ever. As for your other points with Bayless and DeRozan, I agree. But I think the pressure's on Amir to really make it happen this year based on the last two draft picks.
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    Quote Balls of Steel wrote: View Post
    This comment is not because I hate his game. I'm one of the few that vehemently defends the guy. I'm merely stating this due to the crowded front court situation. If he's the main big off the bench, that's what he needs to strive for. JV arriving next year, with the rise of Ed and Bargs (so anchored to the franchise, he's considering to become Canadian), its going to be more competitive than ever. As for your other points with Bayless and DeRozan, I agree. But I think the pressure's on Amir to really make it happen this year based on the last two draft picks.
    I don't think he actually needs to do much more than he did last year, when he was arguably the most valuable big the Raptors had. The guy has proven he can be a fantastic guy off the bench, and is comfortable in that role.
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    I am very excited about that. I've always had very high hopes on Amir. He states his goal is defensive player of the year. Even if someone thinks that is unrealistic it doesn't really matter - it shows his focus,determination and devotion to defense. He will get better that is for sure.

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    Maybe he sees an opportunity to seize the center spot for the season?

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    Basically unless you're 6'9'' or 6'10'', to take the most crucial factor in size, your experience does not serve as much of a basis for comparison.

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    Aaaanyway - Lets move on with this and maybe agree that while 10 lbs of fat/muscle weight loss in 7 days (not primarily water weight) would be a really bad idea for a guy who has a body fat percentage south of 10%, Tim is indeed accurate in the point that we're likely all taking this much to seriously since half of that weight gain will be burned off during this season and Amir is, outside of ankle issues, has shown the ability to avoid major injuries caused by the grind of an NBA season. Now if Amir had a history of foot\knee\micro-fracture injuries it would be a different story...
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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Alright dude. You're right. You're clearly the type of person who needs to always be right. Your argument makes very little sense, but you're right.

    Why is it easier to lose weight when you're heavier? When I was on my high school team, our biggest guy had the hardest time losing weight. And if a guy is an athlete much of the weight above the average is muscle and then it becomes very complicated figuring out where they need to be at to stay health and strong. But you know, you must be right, because I'm assuming you have a degree in sports science or medicine.

    *note: I'm not claiming to be an expert, all I ever said was I was worried how his weight might affect his health and figure given he's always been skinny and small-framed, losing a like 10 lbs might be for the best. I'm sure at least 5-10 will be burned off over the course of the season regardless.
    Apparently YOU'RE also the type of person that always needs to be right, as well. Otherwise you wouldn't have a problem, here. Would you?

    I just brought up something from experience that I felt was related to the topic being discussed. Never claimed to be an expert, either. Never said I was right or wrong or that anyone else was.

    And the reason heavier people can gain and lose weight easier is because it's a smaller percentage of weight for them. A fluctuation of 10 pounds for a person 300 pounds is like a fluctuation of 5 pounds for someone who's 150 pounds.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    Apparently YOU'RE also the type of person that always needs to be right, as well. Otherwise you wouldn't have a problem, here. Would you?

    I just brought up something from experience that I felt was related to the topic being discussed. Never claimed to be an expert, either. Never said I was right or wrong or that anyone else was.

    And the reason heavier people can gain and lose weight easier is because it's a smaller percentage of weight for them. A fluctuation of 10 pounds for a person 300 pounds is like a fluctuation of 5 pounds for someone who's 150 pounds.
    Well that's a different amount, but the same %, so you just proved my point. Just because a heavier person can gain or lose more weight, does not necessarily mean they can do so more easily. Someone who's 150 lbs could have a much easier time losing 5 lbs than someone who's 300 lbs would have to lose 10 lbs. For another example, 2 300 lb people could have much different success rates trying to lose weight.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Well that's a different amount, but the same %, so you just proved my point. Just because a heavier person can gain or lose more weight, does not necessarily mean they can do so more easily. Someone who's 150 lbs could have a much easier time losing 5 lbs than someone who's 300 lbs would have to lose 10 lbs. For another example, 2 300 lb people could have much different success rates trying to lose weight.
    I'm confused. How did I prove your point?
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    I'm confused. How did I prove your point?
    My original point was that just because you lost 10 lbs in 2 weeks, it doesn't mean Amir could, or should that fast. And on top of that, the notion that just because he's heavier it should be at least as easy if not easier for him to do so makes no kind of real sense.

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