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    I could see him being some other team's James Johnson or in other words an obvious talent who can't get PT due to roster depth. I don't think he'll have instant impact like JJ but I do think we might be looking back in three years and saying, "why did we let him go?"

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    Can you answer the question though? Why do you think he only got 15 minutes? He wasn't hurt all year.

    I love a feelgood story as much as the next guy, but I think Alabi has as much chance of becoming a decent backup C in the NBA as JV has of winning Rookie of the year for the 2011-2012 season. Why is there so much fascination over 2nd round draft picks amongst Raptor fans? Is it because none of ours have ever panned out and we're just that desperate to see one make it?
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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    I could see him being some other team's James Johnson or in other words an obvious talent who can't get PT due to roster depth. I don't think he'll have instant impact like JJ but I do think we might be looking back in three years and saying, "why did we let him go?"
    We let him go because we had Jamaal Magloire, Aaron Gray, Ed Davis, Amir Johnson and Andrea Bargnani all capable of playing the same position. And had Jonas Valanciunas on the way, who is supposedly a franchise player.

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    If Alabi would be worth a chance, he would get it. Coach and staff decided, while seen him on practice, he isn't even close to NBA level. You can't learnt how to play basketball at age 23...
    even if he would been drafted 15th.. it didn't change much

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    There is absolutely nothing to lose by giving him a chance to try and learn this season...

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    Well... i don't want to get involved into discussion, similar either Bargnani is worth or not to be a Raptor, or Bayless. But i will agree with coaching staff, if they said, he's not even close to even being given a chance.. i tend to believe them.

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    Quote irgigi wrote: View Post
    Well... i don't want to get involved into discussion, similar either Bargnani is worth or not to be a Raptor, or Bayless. But i will agree with coaching staff, if they said, he's not even close to even being given a chance.. i tend to believe them.
    There were a lot of people who coaches though were shit that turned out to be great...

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    Help me out on this. I mean everyone who wants Alabi to get more minutes. He shows up at every practice right? And he gets to go up against all the other bigs, right? And all the coaches get to see him working out on the floor, shooting the ball, practicing big man skills and move, right? And he isn't getting playing time. Is it because of some evil conspiracy to prevent him from showing how good he is...wait a minute...they see him every day in practice, sometimes twice a day. They already have a good idea of how good he is. In what universe do you get better when you are faced with better talent? when you are suddenly forced to play against other NBA ballers whose moves and tendencies you don't know from watching them every day?

    If Alabi was better than anyone else on the team, he would be playing more than that person. Maybe Casey doesn't want his ego to be crushed, and doesn't want the other players to throw in the towel because "Hell, look at that. The game is out of reach. Coach put Alabi in."

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    apparently he played tonight. got 3 rebounds in 5 minutes. he also committed 2 fouls.
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    He showed pretty good hustle in his brief time out, but blew what should have been an easy dunk/put-back. And it also was pretty clear that nobody else wanted to pass to him. I wouldn't give up on him yet. Honestly I thought he had more of a positive impact on the game in his couple minutes than Grey had in his 17 minutes.

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    Quote RaptorsFan4Life wrote: View Post
    There were a lot of people who coaches though were shit that turned out to be great...
    There's a lot more people who coaches thought were shit that turned out to be shit.

    Coaches know Alabi needs more minutes in order to learn the game = Alabi got 5 minutes. What does that tell you?

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    Quote RaptorsFan4Life wrote: View Post
    There were a lot of people who coaches though were shit that turned out to be great...
    Like who, for instance?

    If Alabi was really so good, I would think he would have dominated the D-League, wouldn't he? He didn't even put up 20/10 numbers playing against inferior competition. Talent has a way of blasting through obstacles such as lack of experience.

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    I think it really does come to us as Raptors fans having never enjoyed a successful 2nd round pick. Some of us have developed this complex where, despite how bad a player is, we aren't willing to give up.

    I remember how hard I tried to convince others that PJ Tucker was the real deal. I mean, sure he was short and slow, but he led his college team in rebounding, that had to count for something! And boy did we ever need a rebounder! I also remember reading up (with Google Translate) on Uros Slokar, hoping and wondering when he'd come join the team.

    Remember how long we stuck with Roko Ukic? LOL.. "Just wait until he starts a few games.. you'll see...". Where is he now? (this is a rhetorical question)

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    Quote ebrian wrote: View Post
    There's a lot more people who coaches thought were shit that turned out to be shit.

    Coaches know Alabi needs more minutes in order to learn the game = Alabi got 5 minutes. What does that tell you?
    5 min isn't enough in a blowout lose, especially when Gray and the rest of the centers were playing trash.

    BTW It wasn't even 5 min, it was 3 min.
    Last edited by RaptorsFan4Life; Thu Dec 22nd, 2011 at 02:57 PM.

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    Quote ebrian wrote: View Post
    I think it really does come to us as Raptors fans having never enjoyed a successful 2nd round pick. Some of us have developed this complex where, despite how bad a player is, we aren't willing to give up.

    I remember how hard I tried to convince others that PJ Tucker was the real deal. I mean, sure he was short and slow, but he led his college team in rebounding, that had to count for something! And boy did we ever need a rebounder! I also remember reading up (with Google Translate) on Uros Slokar, hoping and wondering when he'd come join the team.

    Remember how long we stuck with Roko Ukic? LOL.. "Just wait until he starts a few games.. you'll see...". Where is he now? (this is a rhetorical question)
    We might already be guilty of this "wishful thinking" not just with Alabi, but with Bargnani, Bayless, J.Johnson, DeRozan, Davis, Amir, etc. It's entirely possible that all of these guys don't get much better than they are now. I see some good players here, but let's not kid ourselves....none of these guys are considered "elite".

    And if the goal is to build a championship contender one day, can we realistically expect to do so without elite-level talent to lead the way (e.g. Duncan, Dirk, Kobe, LeBron, Shaq, Howard, etc.)?
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    We might already be guilty of this "wishful thinking" not just with Alabi, but with Bargnani, Bayless, J.Johnson, DeRozan, Davis, Amir, etc. It's entirely possible that all of these guys don't get much better than they are now. I see some good players here, but let's not kid ourselves....none of these guys are considered "elite".

    And if the goal is to build a championship contender one day, can we realistically expect to do so without elite-level talent to lead the way (e.g. Duncan, Dirk, Kobe, LeBron, Shaq, Howard, etc.)?
    You are absolutely correct, in my opinion, which is why the 2012 draft is so important. We have the 2nd/3rd options. We have workhorses and role players. We have depth. We just don't have an elite talent(s).

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    You are absolutely correct, in my opinion, which is why the 2012 draft is so important. We have the 2nd/3rd options. We have workhorses and role players. We have depth. We just don't have an elite talent(s).
    You talk about 2nd/3rd options, but I'm not too optimistic about even that. Would any championship contender, that is serious about defense, start *any* of our players? Between Bargnani, DeRozan, or Davis would any of them start on any of the top 10 teams? I can't think of many teams who would.
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    Quote ebrian wrote: View Post
    You talk about 2nd/3rd options, but I'm not too optimistic about even that. Would any championship contender, that is serious about defense, start *any* of our players? Between Bargnani, DeRozan, or Davis would any of them start on any of the top 10 teams? I can't think of many teams who would.
    Maybe not today, but hopefully with Casey's guidance, some of these guys become worthy of championship calibre teams one day.
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    Quote ebrian wrote: View Post
    You talk about 2nd/3rd options, but I'm not too optimistic about even that. Would any championship contender, that is serious about defense, start *any* of our players? Between Bargnani, DeRozan, or Davis would any of them start on any of the top 10 teams? I can't think of many teams who would.
    I was not looking at the Raptors being a top 10 team in the league right now. That is the point, right now, most are not good enough to start on a top ten team. However:

    Bargnani could be a third banana in my opinion with the right players around him (very similar to the situation Luol Deng was in before Chicago hit the 6/49 with Noah and then the next year won LottoMax with Rose).

    DD could possibly be a second banana in another season or two, in my opinion. The question last year was if he was a legit starter - he showed he is albeit after a slow start. Now how much further can he take it? He is just turned 22. He would be senior in college. Outside of elite talent, few 1st/2nd/3rd year player are leading their team to top 10 status in the league. Even Durant was in his 3rd year to get OKC to an 8th seed (albeit in the west with 50 wins if memory serves correct).

    I don't feel confident enough saying what I think ED could reach at this point but i do think starter for a top 10 team is very likely *in time*. Same with JV.

    Top 10 teams rarely get put together over night (we're ignoring you, Miami). As cliche as it has become around here, it really is a building period. Bring on the draft to get the franchise player which we most certainly do not have at this time.

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    Oh sorry, I did not know you meant some of our guys could potentially become 2nd/3rd options in the FUTURE. In that case yes, it's definitely possible and I see that in Davis. I mean the guy is probably capable of averaging 10/8 coming off the bench!

    With DeRozan.. he's young so there's still time, but other than scoring I don't see a whole lot, and on a good team with limited touches, he's missing a fair bit of game. I mean I can see him easily hitting 23+ this year but on a truly awful team it doesn't count for that much.

    Bargs.. not sure either. I'm not sure how much Casey will be able to help him get better at this point. He's entering his 6th season, and for the average big man, that's around the halfway point of his career.

    Timing will definitely be key. I hope the 2012 pick will be able to hit the ground running

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