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    Default ESPN Insider East Rankings: Raptors 13th out of 15

    Toronto has finally come to grips with reality. No longer are the Raps delusional about loading up on mediocre veterans with long-term deals, nor about winning games without bothering to play defense. With Toronto again last in defensive efficiency in 2010-11, the overmatched Jay Triano was finally shown the door. Replacing him is former Dallas zone defense maestro Dwane Casey, who now must upgrade one of the most pathetic defensive outfits in league annals.

    Central to Casey's cause is center Andrea Bargnani, who is offensively gifted but remains one of the most clueless off-ball defenders in the game. He's mobile for his size, though, and the Raps might experiment with playing him at power forward periodically now that they have some genuine size. Don't be surprised if 7-footers Solomon Alabi and Aaron Gray get a fair amount of run.

    Alas, they also have to clear minutes for Ed Davis, a revelation as a high-percentage finisher last season, but one who needs to add strength to battle NBA big men. Ditto for Amir Johnson, who quietly had a strong season in 2010-11 but, like his frontcourt mates, suffers from a lack of lower-body strength at the defensive end.

    In fact, Toronto's frontcourt looks pretty darn good going forward. First-round pick Jonas Valanciunas won't be coming over this season, but at only 19 years of age, he ranks among the best players in Europe and looks like a star in the making. He and Davis could be a fearsome combo in five years; Bargnani, whatever you think of him, would make for a pretty potent sixth man in that arrangement.

    On the wing, DeMar DeRozan flashed some star potential as a scorer, but the rest of his game lies dormant; he needs to pass the ball once in a while and play some defense. Small forward looms as a huge weakness, although the talented but ridiculously mistake-prone James Johnson remains intriguing. And at the point, Jose Calderon is a flawless offensive operator and a traffic cone for opposing point guards.

    Big picture, there are a lot of problems here beyond Casey's control -- team president Bryan Colangelo invested almost entirely in offensive players, so the result is again likely to be a decent offense paired with a hopeless defense. But if Casey can persuade his charges -- particularly Bargnani -- to compete and at least use their length as a deterrent, the Raptors' D should be less of an embarrassment.
    Rankings are:

    1. Miami
    2. Chicago
    3. Boston
    4. Orlando,
    5. Philly
    6. Indiana,
    7. New York
    8. Milwaukee
    9. Atlanta
    10. NJ
    11. Washington
    12. Detroit
    13. Toronto
    14. Cleveland
    15. Charlotte

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    That is actually a very good write up. I find it tough to find anything in there to disagree with.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    That is actually a very good write up. I find it tough to find anything in there to disagree with.
    agree with the assessment. not sure i agree with the standings prediction. not that i don't think the raps won't be somewhere in the 13th spot (give or take a spot or two in either direction), but rather, i see the c**tics having a bit of a slide & going with the spurs' approach of resting their older guys, sacrificing games (and placement in the standings) in an attempt to stay healthy enough to make what may be the last *real* push in the playoffs with the big-4.

    i'd re-order it thusly:

    1. Chicago
    2. Miami
    3. Indiana
    4. Philly
    5. Orlando
    6. Boston
    7. New York
    8. Atlanta
    9. Milwaukee
    10. Washington
    11. Detroit
    12. Cleveland
    13. NJ
    14. Toronto
    15. Charlotte

    i'm crazy for putting philly & indy so high, right?
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    Quote yertu damkule wrote: View Post
    i'm crazy for putting philly & indy so high, right?
    I'm really digging Paul George. He could very well be the best player on the Pacers.
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    I'm really digging Paul George. He could very well be the best player on the Pacers.
    I have him in my fantasy pool . I think we're one spot higher than Detroit though.
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    Quote yertu damkule wrote: View Post
    agree with the assessment. not sure i agree with the standings prediction. not that i don't think the raps won't be somewhere in the 13th spot (give or take a spot or two in either direction), but rather, i see the c**tics having a bit of a slide & going with the spurs' approach of resting their older guys, sacrificing games (and placement in the standings) in an attempt to stay healthy enough to make what may be the last *real* push in the playoffs with the big-4.

    i'd re-order it thusly:

    1. Chicago
    2. Miami
    3. Indiana
    4. Philly
    5. Orlando
    6. Boston
    7. New York
    8. Atlanta
    9. Milwaukee
    10. Washington
    11. Detroit
    12. Cleveland
    13. NJ
    14. Toronto
    15. Charlotte

    i'm crazy for putting philly & indy so high, right?
    Actually, I didn't consider the rankings - just the Raptors write up.


    Here are my rankings:

    1. Chicago
    2. Miami
    3. New York
    4. Boston
    5. Indiana
    6. Atlanta
    7. Philadelphia
    8. New Jersey
    9. Milwaukee
    10. Detroit
    11. Orlando*
    12. Washington
    13. Cleveland
    14. Toronto
    15. Charlotte


    *Howard will be traded sooner than later to New Jersey (if this doesn't happen, put Orlando at 7, New Jersey at 11, and drop everyone from Philly to to NJ down one spot ---- clear?)

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    if/when howard gets traded orlando instantly becomes the worst team in the league
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    if/when howard gets traded orlando instantly becomes the worst team in the league
    I see them going 14-9 before the trade and 11-32 after it.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    That is actually a very good write up. I find it tough to find anything in there to disagree with.
    The only part that raised an eyebrow for me was Alabi [potentially] getting minutes. I just don't see it happening.
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    Great read. Thanks for posting Ars.

    I'd say they were very fair in their evaluation of the Raptors.
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    New York in 7th is a bit too low. I'm surprised that they have Atlanta out of the playoff picture.

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    Good writeup. Here is my prediction on how the East will look:

    1. Miami
    2. Chicago
    3. Indiana
    4. New York
    5. Orlando
    6. Boston
    7. Atlanta
    8. Philly
    9. Milwaukee
    10. NJ
    11. Washington
    12. Detroit
    13. Cleveland
    14. Toronto
    15. Charlotte


    Orlando will become dysfunctional because of Howard and will drop. Indiana will be a surprising team, and Boston will fall due to what Yurtu was saying. NY will win the division over Boston this year.

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    Jordan sure did gut the Bobcats. It's going to be tough to do less than them.

    I just love hearing all these analysts call JV a star in the making.

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    Orlando is way too high
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    Orlando is way too high
    I don't know. I mean they have a starting lineup of D12, Glen Davis, Hedont, Jason Richardson and Jameer Nelson. Then they have Hughes, Redick, Duhon and Clark coming off the bench. That's good for 8th seed in the east for sure if Howard isn't distracted.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    I don't know. I mean they have a starting lineup of D12, Glen Davis, Hedont, Jason Richardson and Jameer Nelson. Then they have Hughes, Redick, Duhon and Clark coming off the bench. That's good for 8th seed in the east for sure if Howard isn't distracted.
    Don't forget Ryan Anderson. He's probably one of the most underrated players in the league.
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    No point writing the whole list.

    Few points: I still don't see a starting pg for the Knicks that I like. So they're probably around 5 or 6 in my eyes. The Hawks lost a pretty important part, so I have them around 7. And Orlando, with all this turmoil, has got to fall to around 8.

    For some reason, I think Boston will be a top 4 seed in the East. They have the parts -- they're just old. My guess is that becomes more relevant in the playoffs.

    I actually have the Raps around 11 or 12. From 10-15 will be close this year, but, this is the first time in a while the Raps have little personnel turnover. That, and their youth will allow them to be slightly more bearable than expected.

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    Quote blackjitsu wrote: View Post
    Few points: I still don't see a starting pg for the Knicks that I like. So they're probably around 5 or 6 in my eyes. The Hawks lost a pretty important part, so I have them around 7. And Orlando, with all this turmoil, has got to fall to around 8.
    The Knicks don't need a realy pointguard with Stoudemire and Anthony on the team. They basically just need someone to bring the ball up the floor who can play defense and shoot the 3 to spread the floor. Toney Douglas can do exactly that.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    I don't know. I mean they have a starting lineup of D12, Glen Davis, Hedont, Jason Richardson and Jameer Nelson. Then they have Hughes, Redick, Duhon and Clark coming off the bench. That's good for 8th seed in the east for sure if Howard isn't distracted.
    Ryan Anderson is starting.

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    My Rankings are;

    1. Miami
    2. Chicago
    3. New York
    4. Indiana
    5. Boston
    6. Orlando
    7. Atlanta
    8. Philadelphia
    9. Milwaukee
    10. New Jersey
    11. Washington
    12. Detroit
    13. Cleveland
    14. Toronto
    15. Charlotte

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