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    Default Put Tom to work! RR Resident Statophile Tom Liston Season-long Q & A

    On Thursday, the first edition of the Statophile series will be published. This is a series of posts dedicated to statistical analysis and run by Tom Liston. This is a thread where you can:

    1. Ask Tom to investigate trends that you noticed (Is DeRozan's efficiency really up or is he just taking too many shots? Has Bargnani's post-scoring improved or am I just seeing things?)
    2. Provide him ideas and potential areas of research
    3. General Q & A regarding all things statistics


    Tom will do his best to address all comments, but do keep in mind that RR is run by people who work full-time, have families (many with kids), and run this site entirely in their "spare" time.

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    I got a question. I'm wondering if or how much Bargnani's offensive efficiency is influenced by the presence of teammates who can shoot the ball and thus spread the floor.

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    I've got a few.

    1. What do advanced stats say about the improvement in our defense? In particular are Bargs, DD, and Caldy playing well relative to others playing the same position around the league.

    2. What are our best lineups?
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    Quote hateslosing wrote: View Post
    I've got a few.

    1. What do advanced stats say about the improvement in our defense? In particular are Bargs, DD, and Caldy playing well relative to others playing the same position around the league.

    2. What are our best lineups?
    1. First part was generally outlined here: Statophile Vol 21 as well as Calderon comparisons. I'll work on Bargnani and DeRozan shortly.

    2. It's VERY early (especially for lineups), but here they are:
    i. Calderon, Jose - Derozan, DeMar - Johnson, James - Johnson, Amir - Bargnani, Andrea followed by
    ii. Calderon, Jose - Derozan, DeMar - Butler, Rasual - Bargnani, Andrea - Magloire, Jamaal and (a close 3rd)
    iii. Calderon, Jose - Derozan, DeMar - Butler, Rasual - Johnson, Amir - Bargnani, Andrea

    The second lineup has only played 13.2 minutes together, so I wouldn't put any stock in this data yet. They ("ii") played very well against ORL.

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    Quote Soft Euro wrote: View Post
    I got a question. I'm wondering if or how much Bargnani's offensive efficiency is influenced by the presence of teammates who can shoot the ball and thus spread the floor.
    I'll get to this, but 82games.com has been VERY slow updating its site (i.e. missing 3 games).

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    Quote Soft Euro wrote: View Post
    I got a question. I'm wondering if or how much Bargnani's offensive efficiency is influenced by the presence of teammates who can shoot the ball and thus spread the floor.
    I'll attempt this, but it will be difficult - especially after only 7 games. Remind me again after 20 or so. (E.g. a lineup like Carter - Barbosa - Johnson - Davis - Bargnani has only played 6 minutes together this year)

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    What player has the biggest impact on the team, as in when on and off the court.

    And what percentage of field goals are assisted.

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    Quote JoePanini wrote: View Post
    What player has the biggest impact on the team, as in when on and off the court.
    So far this year? Andrea Bargnani (though I caution the data is "noisy" with only 6 games played).
    Over last 2 years? Amir Johnson

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    And what percentage of field goals are assisted.
    Toronto leads the league (as of Jan 6th) with 68.42% FG assisted on.

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    I hope I understand this correctly, but here it goes.

    1. Since Butler isn't really giving much offense starting, does it make sense to put in James Johnson? I guess what I'm asking is, do the Raptors statistically better when James Johnson is in the line up as oppose to Butler?
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    Quote RPT23 wrote: View Post
    I hope I understand this correctly, but here it goes.

    1. Since Butler isn't really giving much offense starting, does it make sense to put in James Johnson? I guess what I'm asking is, do the Raptors statistically better when James Johnson is in the line up as oppose to Butler?
    They sample size is VERY small, so I hesitate to answer, but... So far they've had similar impact wrt to ON/OFF court ratings, however, Butler has generally played with better players as he's had more starter minutes (and certainly generally played against better players).

    Butler: http://basketballvalue.com/player.ph...011-2012&id=76
    Johnson: http://basketballvalue.com/player.ph...11-2012&id=812

    I'd point you to the Calderon - DeRozan - SmallForward - Johnson - Bargnani lineups as a comparison and Johnson looks bettter (albeit in only 24 minutes).

    In fact, its the best unit (w/ Johnson) so far this year.
    http://basketballvalue.com/amofunit....60-812-510-612
    (Again, the data is very limited).

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    This might be a silly one:

    What is Barg's defensive efficiency as a PF compared to him as a C? I'm asking because this has been an age-old debate in this forum.
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    A comparison of Bargs from last year to this year would be good: what has improved in his stats? What is his total improvement from last year to this year?

    Generally, it would be great to get a comparison of the whole team from last year to this year in advanced stats. Who has improved the most (to date)?

    Apparently we have an amazing trainer now. What has his contribution been to the team? Can we see it in any statistics you can measure (this might require an interesting interview also - to ask him how he works on different players, and then intuit how that could show up statistically in games - is it simply reducing injuries; could it show up in having less of a dropoff in shooting percentage when players play more minutes; anything else)?

    It would also be good to get a breakdown of James Johnson: how good is he on defense, assists, etc compared to allstar small forwards? If he developed even average shooting skills would he be great or just average?

    And of course it's always fun to hear about Jonas: how about a full statistical analysis of his work in Europe? Which stats are likely to carry over well, which are not: for instance, last I checked he had out-of-this-world true shooting stats ... any chance this will carry over? Care to guess what his stats will be next year in his rookie season? Where would that place him relative to other centers in this league?
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    Quote Kuh wrote: View Post
    A comparison of Bargs from last year to this year would be good: what has improved in his stats? What is his total improvement from last year to this year?
    I'll to this for Thursday as we'll have a few more games under his belt.

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    Generally, it would be great to get a comparison of the whole team from last year to this year in advanced stats. Who has improved the most (to date)?
    Will add this as well Thursday.

    Quote Kuh wrote: View Post
    Apparently we have an amazing trainer now. What has his contribution been to the team? Can we see it in any statistics you can measure (this might require an interesting interview also - to ask him how he works on different players, and then intuit how that could show up statistically in games - is it simply reducing injuries; could it show up in having less of a dropoff in shooting percentage when players play more minutes; anything else)?
    Likely impossible to determine given how many factors can contribute to improved play. I know Casey was impressed on how he helped Calderon in a short time, but we'll have to see how they hold up over a season. However, even then, it may not be overly comparable since this season is so condensed - and would generally lead to more than typical injuries.

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    It would also be good to get a breakdown of James Johnson: how good is he on defense, assists, etc compared to allstar small forwards? If he developed even average shooting skills would he be great or just average?
    I'll add this to Thursday's post and compare him to Butler as well.

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    And of course it's always fun to hear about Jonas: how about a full statistical analysis of his work in Europe? Which stats are likely to carry over well, which are not: for instance, last I checked he had out-of-this-world true shooting stats ... any chance this will carry over? Care to guess what his stats will be next year in his rookie season? Where would that place him relative to other centers in this league?
    The best stat that "carries over" consistently from Europe is rebounds (and, of course FT%). I'll look up the paper on it.

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    I want to know what the difference is between dwayne casey's team and jay triano's team from 2 years ago? when we had that nice run from like december to the all-star break and missed out on the post-season because chris bosh couldn't make a lay-up!
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    Default Statophile, Volume 23

    How much to the Raptors miss Bargnani? Should Forbes play more minutes? Is DeRozan driving to the basket enough?
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    Hard to show probably since so few mins but considering your recent statophile, how do the numbers from 2yrs ago Sonny Weems compare to Forbes? Really wondering if the new found love for Forbes' game is from the same roots as the love of Sonny's game in 09-10 that made some fans thinking he should be in over DD.

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    I'm curious if you could break down Kleiza's effectiveness at the 4 vs. at the 3. I'm not sure if there is enough data available but I liked the look of the line up against Utah with him out there with Bargs and James Johnson.
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    Quote hateslosing wrote: View Post
    I'm curious if you could break down Kleiza's effectiveness at the 4 vs. at the 3. I'm not sure if there is enough data available but I liked the look of the line up against Utah with him out there with Bargs and James Johnson.
    Not enough data yet. However.... I really like him at the 3, playing "like" a 4. Why can this work? It can with Bargnani (yes, who's now injured) as Andrea has some "3" in him on offense, regardless of what he's "pegged" at. That is, he doesn't post often - nor does Amir Johnson (largely pick and roll), so Kleiza is able to post up a smallish 3.

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    Quote Liston wrote: View Post
    Not enough data yet. However.... I really like him at the 3, playing "like" a 4. Why can this work? It can with Bargnani (yes, who's now injured) as Andrea has some "3" in him on offense, regardless of what he's "pegged" at. That is, he doesn't post often - nor does Amir Johnson (largely pick and roll), so Kleiza is able to post up a smallish 3.
    I definitely agree, that is how he should be used offensively and I think it is what BC intended for him when he was brought in. I'm more concerned about the defensive end since Kleiza is not as fast as a James Johnson and may have issues with slasher types at the 3. So maybe this is another question you could answer: how does Linas Kleiza's D compare to other three's around the league. In particular vs. James Johnson and Butler.
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