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    Default The Raptors will not have a top 5 pick

    Even if the three players who have fueled the last two wins cool down and the Raptors suffer setbacks, they will not likely have one of the 5 worst records in the league. There are too many other bad teams out there.

    Washington: By now the consensus pick for 30th. They have no frontcourt, and John Wall (who is still not playing that well) is their best player. They have no wins, and their losses are on AVERAGE by 13 points.

    New Jersey: Kris Humphries is their third best player. Their second best player has a broken foot. They lost to Atlanta by 36. Their only win is over Washington.

    Charlotte: They are playing Boris Diaw at centre. Diaw is 6'8". Miami beat them by 39 points. They are being outscored by 11 points per game.

    Sacramento: They are stuck in the strong western conference, and John Salmons might be their best player. Tyreke Evans is playing terribly, and his backup is Jimmer Fredette. Their average game is a double-digit loss.

    Cleveland: They are 0-2 against the Raptors. Their three wins are against Charlotte, New Jersey, and Detroit. Anderson Varejao is their best player.

    Detroit: Tayshaun Prince and Rodney Stuckey are their best players. Their offense is the 26th best in the league. They are being outscored by 6 points a game, and lost to Cleveland by 16 points.

    And that's only the teams that look definitely weaker than the Raptors. Golden State, Phoenix (imagine if they trade Nash!), New Orleans, Minnesota and Milwaukee all have a chance of being worse as well, if their lineups don't gel or they suffer a key injury.

    It looks to me as if the Raptors will have the 21-25 worst record even if their play regresses from the last few games.
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    Raptors will get 10th-13th overall pick I predict. Not too shabby.

    If they go to the playoffs then Dwane wins COY, if they don't its still a win-win.

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    Quote malefax wrote: View Post
    Even if the three players who have fueled the last two wins cool down and the Raptors suffer setbacks, they will not likely have one of the 5 worst records in the league. There are too many other bad teams out there. They have no wins, and their losses are on AVERAGE by 13 points.

    Washington: By now the consensus pick for 30th. They have no frontcourt, and John Wall (who is still not playing that well) is their best player.

    New Jersey: Kris Humphries is their third best player. Their second best player has a broken foot. They lost to Atlanta by 36. Their only win is over Washington.

    Charlotte: They are playing Boris Diaw at centre. Diaw is 6'8". Miami beat them by 39 points. They are being outscored by 11 points per game.

    Sacramento: They are stuck in the strong western conference, and John Salmons might be their best player. Tyreke Evans is playing terribly, and his backup is Jimmer Fredette. Their average game is a double-digit loss.

    Cleveland: They are 0-2 against the Raptors. Their three wins are against Charlotte, New Jersey, and Detroit. Anderson Varejao is their best player.

    Detroit: Tayshaun Prince and Rodney Stuckey are their best players. Their offense is the 26th best in the league. They are being ouscored by 6 points a game, and lost to Cleveland by 16 points.

    And that's only the teams that look definitely weaker than the Raptors. Golden State, Phoenix (imagine if they trade Nash!), New Orleans, Minnesota and Milwaukee all have a chance of being worse as well, if their lineups don't gel or they suffer a key injury.

    It looks to me as if the Raptors will have the 21-25 worst record even if their play regresses from the last few games.
    It is amazing how bad some teams are right now.

    Of those teams listed, I would look for Detroit and Cleveland to look much better by the end of the season. Both teams have decent parts and really good coaches.

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    New Jersey should turn it around a bit....but I still think we can get a great player that fits the team anywhere from 6-12

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    I think Detroit could potentially be not awful. Of the 6 teams, they would suprise me the least if they finished with a better record than Toronto. Cleveland to me looks young and lacks scoring outside of Kyrie Irving and Jamison: I don't expect them to have many wins at the end of the season.

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    Quote WJF wrote: View Post
    New Jersey should turn it around a bit....but I still think we can get a great player that fits the team anywhere from 6-12
    I would agree. If the Nets land Howard, things could change pretty quick.

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    Of course, then the Magic would be a threat for the bottom 5 spot...

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    Even if the Raptors do finish in the 7-10th from the bottom position, there are 3 factors to consider:

    1. ping-pong balls could move us into the top 3 (or down up to 3 spots... yikes)

    2. would be interesting analysis to figure out which of the teams above us in the likely draft position rankings are likely to target a SF, rather than all the PF/C/SG ranked highly (aka how many teams are true risks to take one of the stud SF we want)

    3. there's always a possibility to flip picks to move up just a couple spots, still allowing both teams to draft the player they really want (ie: trade Barbosa/Bayless for late 1st/early 2nd round pick at the deadline, which could be used to facilitate the swapping of picks to get our stud SF)

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    Quote e2thed wrote: View Post
    Raptors will get 10th-13th overall pick I predict. Not too shabby.

    If they go to the playoffs then Dwane wins COY, if they don't its still a win-win.
    I agree, out of the 10 bottom teams in the NBA the Raptors are the best well coached team thus far.

    Getting 10-13 pick while winning is still not bad position. We have JV coming in next year and also there are still interesting players in the 10-13 position due to 2012 being a deep draft. Players such as Michael Gilchrist and Toronto native Kobongo will still be available if they choose to declare.

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    Quote malefax wrote: View Post
    Even if the three players who have fueled the last two wins cool down and the Raptors suffer setbacks, they will not likely have one of the 5 worst records in the league. There are too many other bad teams out there.

    Washington: By now the consensus pick for 30th. They have no frontcourt, and John Wall (who is still not playing that well) is their best player. They have no wins, and their losses are on AVERAGE by 13 points.

    New Jersey: Kris Humphries is their third best player. Their second best player has a broken foot. They lost to Atlanta by 36. Their only win is over Washington.

    Charlotte: They are playing Boris Diaw at centre. Diaw is 6'8". Miami beat them by 39 points. They are being outscored by 11 points per game.

    Sacramento: They are stuck in the strong western conference, and John Salmons might be their best player. Tyreke Evans is playing terribly, and his backup is Jimmer Fredette. Their average game is a double-digit loss.

    Cleveland: They are 0-2 against the Raptors. Their three wins are against Charlotte, New Jersey, and Detroit. Anderson Varejao is their best player.

    Detroit: Tayshaun Prince and Rodney Stuckey are their best players. Their offense is the 26th best in the league. They are being outscored by 6 points a game, and lost to Cleveland by 16 points.

    And that's only the teams that look definitely weaker than the Raptors. Golden State, Phoenix (imagine if they trade Nash!), New Orleans, Minnesota and Milwaukee all have a chance of being worse as well, if their lineups don't gel or they suffer a key injury.

    It looks to me as if the Raptors will have the 21-25 worst record even if their play regresses from the last few games.
    I don't agree. The Raptors have played the Cavs twice. The Cavs are the worst team in the league, or one of them. You take away those two wins and you see a team who has only won one other game and they were playing a team who was without one of their star players and who was caught sleeping. The Raptors are not a good team right now, they just have some exciting young players. Unless 33% of their schedule continues to be against the Cavs then you won't see them anywhere outside the worst five teams when it's all said and done. I think people are overacting here. In here half the team will be tossed under the bus by March. Book it.

    One more thing on the Cavs. They've had the easiest schedule in the league so far. They've arguable played only teams who all have a shot at being in one of the five worst teams in the league. By the end of January they'll be nowhere near .500.

    Sactown has just as much young talent as the Raptors. They're no worse than the Raptors.

    Detroit, who knows but I think they're no worse than the Raptors.

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    I don't agree. The Raptors have played the Cavs twice. The Cavs are the worst team in the league, hands down. You take away those two wins and you see a team who has only won one other game and they were playing a team who was without one of their star players and who was caught sleeping. The Raptors are not a good team right now, they just have some exciting young players. Unless 33% of their schedule continues to be against the Cavs then you won't see them anywhere outside the worst five teams when it's all said and done. I think people are overacting here. In here half the team will be tossed under the bus by March. Book it.

    Sactown has just as much young talent as the Raptors. They're no worse than the Raptors.

    Detroit, who knows but I think they're no worse than the Raptors.
    We didn't just beat the Cavs ... we totally spanked them. The fact that we took huge leads over Orlando and Dallas, before allowing big runs (growing pains), says to me that we are on the right track, and a step above the bottom rung where there are 7-8 teams that are just horrible. imo, we're into the middle of the pack (lower middle class!)
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    Also, I think our draft pick will be in the range of 12-16 ... few spots out of the playoffs, or just sneak in if other teams like Milwaukee and New Jersey pull themselves out of the race.
    That really means we just have to outlast the 76ers, Knicks, or Indiana down the stretch ... longshot, but not impossible.

    12-16 range picks could produce a rotation player like Terrence Jones, Kabongo, Kidd-Glichrist (my favourite).
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    Quote malefax wrote: View Post
    Of course, then the Magic would be a threat for the bottom 5 spot...
    depends on how they are doing at the deadline. if they are in the playoffs then howard gets flipped, they stand a chance especially if they get lopez and a point guard in the deal.
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    Quote Papa Burgundy wrote: View Post
    Also, I think our draft pick will be in the range of 12-16 ... few spots out of the playoffs, or just sneak in if other teams like Milwaukee and New Jersey pull themselves out of the race.
    That really means we just have to outlast the 76ers, Knicks, or Indiana down the stretch ... longshot, but not impossible.

    12-16 range picks could produce a rotation player like Terrence Jones, Kabongo, Kidd-Glichrist (my favourite).
    MK-G is my fave as well, but no way he lasts outside the top-10...hell, by draft time he may be top-5.
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    Quote Papa Burgundy wrote: View Post
    We didn't just beat the Cavs ... we totally spanked them. The fact that we took huge leads over Orlando and Dallas, before allowing big runs (growing pains), says to me that we are on the right track, and a step above the bottom rung where there are 7-8 teams that are just horrible. imo, we're into the middle of the pack (lower middle class!)
    You're basing this on game where they're playing far better teams who made significant offseason moves, but didn't get a decent camp or preseason to get up and running. I'm not surprised they caught Dallas or Orlando off guard. The fact that they couldn't hold those big leads says it all.

    The Raptors on the other hand are pretty much the same team as last season, so there's chemistry, and a lot of the guys were working out and playing together over the summer. Then they have a new head coach who's came in and changed little so far given time constraints. The Raptors are a team who won a couple games over a horrible team, caught a couple more teams off guard but couldn't hold the lead and then caught another team, who was limping, on an off night. My money is on them stinking this season. Anyone who thinks otherwise, in my opinion, is in for a big disappointment. Opponents are going to be at 100% soon.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    You're basing this on game where they're playing far better teams who made significant offseason moves, but didn't get a decent camp or preseason to get up and running. I'm not surprised they caught Dallas or Orlando off guard. The fact that they couldn't hold those big leads says it all.

    The Raptors on the other hand are pretty much the same team as last season, so there's chemistry, and a lot of the guys were working out and playing together over the summer. Then they have a new head coach who's came in and changed little so far given time constraints. The Raptors are a team who won a couple games over a horrible team, caught a couple more teams off guard but couldn't hold the lead and then caught another team, who was limping, on an off night. My money is on them stinking this season. Anyone who thinks otherwise, in my opinion, is in for a big disappointment. Opponents are going to be at 100% soon.
    I tend to agree with Apollo on this one. Let's see where they are at after this 11-day, 8-game stretch. That puts them at about 13 games played and we'll know more at that point. Until then, worrying about the 2012 draft slot is premature.

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    I think Apollo is right that the Raptors are bad, but 'bad' by itself isn't enough for a top 5 pick. If Sacramento and Detroit turn out to be better than the Raps, then fine, we have a shot but that's not how it's looking early.

    And there are always those other teams I mentioned too. Any of them could swoop into genuine suckage. Plus Utah, which I forgot to mention.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    You're basing this on game where they're playing far better teams who made significant offseason moves, but didn't get a decent camp or preseason to get up and running. I'm not surprised they caught Dallas or Orlando off guard. The fact that they couldn't hold those big leads says it all.

    The Raptors on the other hand are pretty much the same team as last season, so there's chemistry, and a lot of the guys were working out and playing together over the summer. Then they have a new head coach who's came in and changed little so far given time constraints. The Raptors are a team who won a couple games over a horrible team, caught a couple more teams off guard but couldn't hold the lead and then caught another team, who was limping, on an off night. My money is on them stinking this season. Anyone who thinks otherwise, in my opinion, is in for a big disappointment. Opponents are going to be at 100% soon.
    Same team as last season? I dunno man.

    New coach is MUCH more difficult to bring onboard without a training camp or preseason ... adding in players to an existing system is much easier then adding a new system to a group of players. If you think he has changed very little so far, I'd check the defensive rankings so far, compared to last year ... that takes it's toll on players legs on the offensive end of the court too - so I think we have lots of room to improve in the coming months.

    Bayless came midseason last year, Same with James Johnson, Ed Davis missed the first part of last season, Amir is coming off surgery in the offseason, the aforementioned new coach and system tore everything down to the bones, Butler and Magloire are new players playing significant roles (and Carter for the time being) ... I agree with you completely that other teams will start to get closer to "100%", but ... so will we ...

    I won't be shocked if we end up being in the bottom part of the standings, but i'm not gonna agree that we have gotten the jumpstart on all these other teams because of our great continuity from last year ...

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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    I tend to agree with Apollo on this one. Let's see where they are at after this 11-day, 8-game stretch. That puts them at about 13 games played and we'll know more at that point. Until then, worrying about the 2012 draft slot is premature.
    Very much agreed.

    The end of January will have seen them play 19 games in the month. We'll have a good idea of what they are all about then.

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    At the end of the month, the Raps will be 11-8, I predict.

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