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    Well I don't see a realistic way to get another top 15 first round pick.

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    trade a player?

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    and it doesn't have to be top 15

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    and it doesn't have to be top 15
    True

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    I've always thought and said that Calderon can be an effective pg late into his career. His skills revolve around his decision making and shooting, 2 things that only improve with age. Now, if he relied on quickness and agility then I would not want him past 30/31. I think the comparison to J Kidd and S Nash is accurate, if a bit exaggerated. Calderon shoots well, finds the right man, challenges the defense to react to his positioning, and has intangible leadership qualities. None of these things diminish with age, and all of these things are required on a team filled with young talent.

    I would like to see Calderon retire as a Raptor. He's been loyal and steady for us his entire career, and that should be rewarded by the franchise as a thumb on the nose to all the players that threw us under the bus. It would send a message that loyalty to this team will be rewarded and returned many times over. Sign him for 4 years @ $30 mill front loaded. Its generous enough to say thanks and could be structured in a way that allows the team to transition him into a mentor-ship role towards the end of his career.

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    Quote c_bcm wrote: View Post
    I've always thought and said that Calderon can be an effective pg late into his career. His skills revolve around his decision making and shooting, 2 things that only improve with age. Now, if he relied on quickness and agility then I would not want him past 30/31. I think the comparison to J Kidd and S Nash is accurate, if a bit exaggerated. Calderon shoots well, finds the right man, challenges the defense to react to his positioning, and has intangible leadership qualities. None of these things diminish with age, and all of these things are required on a team filled with young talent.

    I would like to see Calderon retire as a Raptor. He's been loyal and steady for us his entire career, and that should be rewarded by the franchise as a thumb on the nose to all the players that threw us under the bus. It would send a message that loyalty to this team will be rewarded and returned many times over. Sign him for 4 years @ $30 mill front loaded. Its generous enough to say thanks and could be structured in a way that allows the team to transition him into a mentor-ship role towards the end of his career.
    +1 I would love to see calderon retire a raptor.

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    Quote charlesnba23 wrote: View Post
    Well I don't see a realistic way to get another top 15 first round pick.
    ED and a future 1st (possibly with protections).

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    only if I knew he would stay injury free, un fortunately no one can so Im leery of passing of getting an asset in return for him. Then again what can you can possibly get for him? No Bayless, please no. This guy thinks hes the next coming of Brandon Roy. Always liked Calderon I would keep him on for another 4 to 5 years, the latter part him mentoring the new PG. If Derrick Fisher can still stay relevant no reasons how Calderon couldn't

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    He is playing great, but can you see him maintaining this level throughout the season? Let alone for 2-3 years, when the Raptors intend to be a playoff team? I would say, at this point in the Raptors rebuild, if BC can get a good return on him via trade, do it. He is 30 and at his ceiling, and therefore he can't be considered a PG for the future.

    If the Raps are truly struggling at the trade deadline I don't see why BC wouldn't try to get a return on him, in order to get in line for a top five draft pick. But would he garner more value in return next year on his expiring deal?? Tough call for BC

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Just say no to Teague. Why draft another Bayless when you can have the original? Kabongo and Marshall would be great.
    I completely agree. Bayless is NOT the future point guard, and another like him would be a step backwards. If they can't get a dynamic scorer (like Rose), then they need to get a top-notch pass-first guard who can run the offence, distribute and take care of the ball. Investing too much in a point guard is usually a bad strategy, unless it is an upper echelon player. Even then, note how awful a number of teams with great PGs are doing this year, and some of the top teams have just average PGs.

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    Quote IROR wrote: View Post
    ...He is 30 and at his ceiling, and therefore he can't be considered a PG for the future...
    No reason he can't stay at his ceiling for another 3-4 years. The question with trading, amnestying or otherwise getting rid of Calderon has always been, who do you get that is better?

    Jose has consistently been the best PG the Raps have had, as long as he has been here, which is why he is still here and the others are not. Now he is right back to his top numbers. Clearly his less than stellar periods were the result of injury. The Raps have improved their trainers/strength coach positions. Calderon has a better idea of what he can and can't do and better understands how he has to look after himself. By all means draft another PG or acquire one in trade, but why get rid of Calderon until you find something at least as good as him at PG?

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    I have been a huge fan of Jose for years, and I also would love to see him retire as a raptor. A key for Jose over the next few years is that he needs his rest in the off season. He should reduce or minimize his committment to the national team if he wishes to maximize his potential with the Raptors. You can see how much the rest has helped him this year so far.

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    Quote IROR wrote: View Post
    He is playing great, but can you see him maintaining this level throughout the season? Let alone for 2-3 years, when the Raptors intend to be a playoff team? I would say, at this point in the Raptors rebuild, if BC can get a good return on him via trade, do it. He is 30 and at his ceiling, and therefore he can't be considered a PG for the future.

    If the Raps are truly struggling at the trade deadline I don't see why BC wouldn't try to get a return on him, in order to get in line for a top five draft pick. But would he garner more value in return next year on his expiring deal?? Tough call for BC
    I think you have to trade him if you can get anything half decent in return. Has the dual benefit of a) hopefully getting a younger player / 2nd round draft pick and b) putting us in better shape for a better pick next year (and maybe even c) giving us more financial flexibility).

    Is it going to suck having to watch Bayless or whatever other young, yet inferior PG we get back for him? Absolutely. But given his injury past, there is no way that anyone can say with confidence that he will be healthy at the end of this year, let alone 2-3 years from now? I can not.

    We have to remember, that this is a guy people were talking about amnesty-ing a few weeks back. If we can get anything for him now, I think we have to do it (as short term painful as it will be)

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    Quote mountio wrote: View Post
    I think you have to trade him if you can get anything half decent in return. Has the dual benefit of a) hopefully getting a younger player / 2nd round draft pick and b) putting us in better shape for a better pick next year (and maybe even c) giving us more financial flexibility).

    Is it going to suck having to watch Bayless or whatever other young, yet inferior PG we get back for him? Absolutely. But given his injury past, there is no way that anyone can say with confidence that he will be healthy at the end of this year, let alone 2-3 years from now? I can not.

    We have to remember, that this is a guy people were talking about amnesty-ing a few weeks back. If we can get anything for him now, I think we have to do it (as short term painful as it will be)
    His injury history and desire to continue representing Spain in the summer (ie. no rest) is what always keeps me nervous about him.

    With that said, I'd be looking for more than a 2nd round pick or young prospect.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    ED and a future 1st (possibly with protections).
    and/or Amir and/or Barbosa (expiring this year) + cash to a contender for a late 1st round pick + expiring next year. Many ways to get a deal done.

    We really need to get another late first round pick this year. Does anybody know if we get Miami's pick again this year? I thought we got 2 picks from the Bosh deal, or maybe I'm mistaken. Hindsight I know, but I would love to re-do the James Johnson trade and have that 2010 1st round pick, Norris Cole, as our PG-in-waiting. Damn Pat Riley.

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    Trade Bayless and our 2nd round pick to a desperate lottery team in need of a backup point guard for a 1st rounder. Milwaukee maybe.

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    Thats a good idea don't know if they'll do it though, if we include some cash or another 2nd round pick it might work

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    Quote e2thed wrote: View Post
    Trade Bayless and our 2nd round pick to a desperate lottery team in need of a backup point guard for a 1st rounder. Milwaukee maybe.
    Wouldn't a lottery team just keep their own pick and draft a PG better than Bayless? You're talking about a top 15 pick in a strong draft with talented frontcourt players who will get picked first.

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    Quote golden wrote: View Post
    Wouldn't a lottery team just keep their own pick and draft a PG better than Bayless? You're talking about a top 15 pick in a strong draft with talented frontcourt players who will get picked first.
    Did you see what Sacramento,Milwaukee,Charlotte did last draft when BK was still on board. Desperate teams, calls for draft day steals.

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    I said "keep Calderon" back in January, and I still think we should keep him. I will say that if we have a serious shot at Deron Williams in the summer, I'd consider that in order to get younger. If we land a solid SF prospect in the draft and then sign a significant free agent, though, we might be setting ourselves up for cap constraints when our rookie contracts start expiring. We'll have to pay 2-3 of DeRozan, Valanciunas, Ed Davis, and our 2012 pick eventually... and that will be harder to do if we sign a pricey free agent like Deron Williams to a long contract this summer.

    The advantage of re-signing Calderon in this scenario would be that his new, reduced contract will kick in in 2013-14 -- the year of DeRozan's QO -- and either stay fairly stable like Kleiza's contract or even drop in cost over its duration.

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