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    Default So Ed's probably going to get flipped huh

    Writing is pretty much on the wall. Barring significant injury to Bargs/Amir I think he's gone. Thoughts?
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    I don't know. I think Amir and Ed have similar odds at being dealt. The way Amir is playing right now, wow, could be a sell high moment. Ed on the other hand has big time upside but hasn't been given the time to pad his stats. I feel Ed might have more upside but I think that right now they would get a better return on Amir. If they're maximizing assets then Amir should be the guy.

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    Amir's been more productive but I think his contract is a LOT less desirable than Ed's rookie deal. I'm not saying Amir is overpayed or anything just, well, you know.
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    Ed is on a rookie deal. You don't think he's going to get a substantial pay increase when the time comes?

    Amir's contract looked questionable when it was signed but it's turned out to be a high value deal for the Raptors given his production and team contributions.

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    I'd rather flip Amir, no disrespect to him but like Apollo said Ed's upside is pretty wild. But for that very reason I just think Amir's staying.
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    Basically what I'm trying to get at is I'm going to the kings game tomorrow and want to get my Daughter a Ed jersey but i dunno now
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    Right, and it's a good risk to take right now given that the Raptors aren't ready for the spotlight yet.

    I'm not sure what the Raptors go looking for but let me toss out a list of names to stir the pot.

    • Nicolas Batum
    • Danilo Gallinari
    • Chase Budinger
    • Al-Farouq Aminu
    • Dorell Wright
    Disclaimer: I'm not recommending any of these just yet, just looking for reactions.

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    i like ed but he's still to skinny. If he bulks up i wouldn't mind keeping him. He also needs to develop a face up game and more post moves

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    Call me crazy, but I think its still a little too premature to write off Ed just yet. Let him get a full season under his belt and some experience before we start proposing to ship him out. JMO!

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    The floating Doc Naismith head saying "JMO!" made me lol at work
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    If we could get Rooster, I'd be more than happy to flip him for Ed.

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    I'd be all over getting Dorrell Wright into the mix.
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    I think Batum would be a perfect fit for the Raptors.

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    I'd like to keep Amir and ship ED.

    I don't see ED being content in Toronto with a career ceiling as a back up to Bargnani. I like Amir's energy, he always goes balls out, and he his number one priority is always the team.

    Not sure if people realize this but Amir is only 1 year and 11 months older than ED.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    I think Batum would be a perfect fit for the Raptors.
    Totally agree. I've been making Trade threads with Batum for a whiiile now. haha
    I just don't see Portland moving him. They really like him there.
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    They also have Gerald Wallace. I think Batum can be had.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    I don't know. I think Amir and Ed have similar odds at being dealt. The way Amir is playing right now, wow, could be a sell high moment. Ed on the other hand has big time upside but hasn't been given the time to pad his stats. I feel Ed might have more upside but I think that right now they would get a better return on Amir. If they're maximizing assets then Amir should be the guy.

    A log jam of talented young big men. This is the ideal problem to have.
    I completely agree with your assessment 100%.

    I think Bargnani brings the scoring, while Amir/Davis bring the heart, hustle and defense. It's a great mix to have at a single position, but I don't think the team is maximizing the individual/total output when 3 players are slotted to play a single position (assuming Valanciunas gets significant minutes @ C next season and beyond).

    Amir has impressed me this season, so I am torn which player I would trade first (I was pushing for Amir to be traded prior to the start of the season). I think I still lean that way, because his value is at its highest, his body has taken a beating over the years and I think Davis has a higher ceiling on both ends, if given the chance to get heavy minutes this season and beyond. The ultimate determining factor could be what the return would be for each, which we as fans will never be privy to... damn!

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    agree. last year with triano was more of a free-flow offence without any set system and i just think its taking ed a little more time to get acclumated to caseys new system thats all. it happens to many players rookie and vets as well. it's true that he isn't playing with the most confidence and "swagger" that we seen him before but most players do get like that when the game isnt coming as easy to them as it once was. he isnt getting the minutes he should be getting also due to that he isnt quite up to speed yet but just with demar i say give him time i think hes smart and talented enough to get it soon eventually.

    edit: in response to DOC's quote lol
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    i can see Ed has a little bit of Amir in him, he hustles, goes for the Offensive rebounds and likes to camp in the paint a lot. If they fully commit to Ed and train him to be a starter, i probably wont mind trading Amir, altho that would be like pulling a tooth.

    IMO, teams will overpay for Amir's services. So if BC can get a stud wing for Amir, id be all for it.

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    It's funny how Bargnani's game has switched focus on Davis/Amir as the first to go. I think Bargnani is lights out playing great - but I still think he should be the first one to go.

    Yes I know I will be in the minority here. We spent 5 years developing the guy. He's playing like a franchise player. He loves Toronto, and is a consummate team player. He's a good guy - but I don't think we can win a championship with him.

    He's a PF that plays like a SF. If we get a stud SF it would be difficult to have two guys that play similar styles play at the same time, unless we get a SF that is more in the "Marion" mold than a Durant/Gay/Lebron/Kobe, etc.

    I think the better approach would be to swing Bargnani while he's hot to a team that can give us a very good SF. Someone like Gay or to see where we are in the draft and move up to land someone like Barnes, etc.

    I like both Ed and Amir, and I think they should both stay. They play the proto-typical PF game, which is something most championship teams have.


    But if Bryan refuses to move Bargnani (and the Republic thinks I'm crazy), then Ed should go before Amir.

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