Last edited by Joey; Tue Feb 7th, 2012 at 01:47 PM.
Look, this isn't about Calderon. It's not about Bayless vs. Jose as starting PG. It's about Bayless himself. He's not a capable PG. Full stop. He can score, but that's it. He's a terrible distributor and worse game manager. To make it all worse, his defense is poor. If his shot is on, he's a 50/50 contributor. If his shot is off, he's a detriment to the team.
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Westbrook shoots better from the field (although not from distance), gets to the FT line more, earns more assists (while turning the ball over more), and is the far better defender. It helps to have better teammates I'm sure, but still...
For someone as unpolished as Westbrook, IMO he's miles ahead of Bayless.
"I won't shoot 5 for 19 again...." - DeFrozen (in theaters now)
, the comparison was indeed, one of Psychological mindset.So it's fine when player like Westbrook(who lead the league is TOs last year) thinks score first but when Bayless does it's a huge problem?
I'm not sure he was ever truly comparing their overall abilities.
However, I think some of that has to do with circumstance and where each was drafted.
Both were very heavily compared going into the draft as well, and Bayless was (I'm pretty sure) ranked just behind Westbrook in Guards for the Class.
Westbrook was given a situation where he had no competition for the Starting spot, and minimal competition for minutes. He was given free Reign. Bayless had to play behind Brandon Roy and Andre Miller. Both obvious Starters, and both obvious closers.
Only now is Bayless in a situation where he can play without looking over his shoulder, and even still, his leash is MUCH tighter than that of Westbrook. Westbrook is NOT a good facilitator. He gets his assists purely based on Minutes and his High Usage Rate.
Now I'm not saying Bayless is as good as Westbrook. Westbrook is an All-Star.
But I think their style of play, and focus to Score first, Pass Second, are certainly on Par with eachother.
ADD Whoa, that was longer than I anticipated ... whoopsy! haha
I'm not trying to compare him to Westbrook. I'm just saying what's wrong with having a score first PG. Especially when his the best shot creator on are team.
As a pure scorer Bayless is better than Westbrook. Westbrook is just a freak athlete. Bayless is a good defender, he just bails players out with fouling at the end of the possession. Which gets better with experience.
That's beside my point. I'm just saying what wrong with having a PG with a high scoring rate but lower TO rate than Westbrook.
What stats or observations are you using to come to the conclusion Bayless is a better pure scorer than Westbrook? I don't see it.
As for having a high scoring PG, there is nothing wrong with it. But you need a PG, high scoring or not, that makes good decisions. Bayless does not in my opinion.
The reason why Wall dominated was cause we let him get confident against Calderon at the beginning of the game. When 4Q and OT came along he was already extremely confident, that he even started hitting jumpers.
40 games left we need to sit Calderon down(and trade) and try the Jerryd Bayless experiment.
And how the hell is he going to get assists if guys aren't trying to get open. Kleiza was the only one trying to contribute on offense the rest were standing there with their head up their ass's. you but Bayless on a team with guys like KD, harden and Ibaka and he'll dish out 5-8 assists easy. If demar tried moving without the ball more and trying to get open like last year Bayless would have got a couple more assists. Last year Bayless as a starter average 20 and 5 that ain't bad
there is nothing wrong with seeing someone for what they are. i like bayless' game and hope he stays as our sixth man, which i said earlier. pointing to this game you can see what he is capable of when no one else can score.(even if klieza was insanely more efficient)
Blaming Calderon for Bayless' inability to stop Wall is not really an excuse in my books.
One thing I do agree with is the desire to trade Calderon. The problem with letting Bayless play the PG is that he has shown he is not a PG. He is not a PG anymore than Barbosa is. This was the idea of the original thread - Bayless is not a PG, why are we forcing him to conform to one?
Last edited by mcHAPPY; Wed Feb 8th, 2012 at 07:00 AM. Reason: Thanks, Maleko.
Against the Wizards:
- 3 assists in 39 minutes
- What about his defense? Nick Young/Wall took him to school.
- All he did well was to shoot 3s (6-10, 18pts)
He had a decent game but the hype is unwarranted. He's Mike James 2.0 with less skills.
If Bayless wants to market himself as a PG he no doubt is going about it the wrong way during his own contract year.
You're assuming they offer it. I am assuming they don't. This free agent class is deep and they can do better with that $4M than him. For example, Steve Blake(not a FA this summer but still...) only makes $4M and he's a far better point guard.
As to Barbosa, Barbosa and Colangelo have a good relationship and I believe that could weight in the equation.
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