Our Roster Next Year ... Keep, Trade or Amnesty

[grindhouse]

Only person I would trade is derozan unless we get something really good for him.

Calderon needs his contract redone but he is growing on me.

I wish we would bring back Julian wright cause James Johnson is terrible.

I can live with Barg as long as he is playing defense in Casey system.

Kleiza should be amesty rasual plays better defense and is more consists from 3 for way less money.

Tbh we need a upgrade at every position no one on this team can really ball

[TheGloveinRapsUniform]

In my opinion:

Keep:
Andrea Bargnani (scorer + PF1)
Amir Johnson (Heart and Soul + PF2 or C2)
James Johnson (Energy player + SF2)

Trade:
DeMar DeRozan (Trade for a top 5 pick in this draft or combo with another for Star)
Ed Davis (Trade for top 15 pick in the draft)
Leandro Barbosa (Trade for top 20 pick in this draft)
Jose Calderon (Trade for top 20 pick in this draft)
Jerryd Bayless (Trade for a second rounf draft pick)

Amnesty Clause:
Linas Kleiza (No trade value)

I don't mind DeRozan really but I get the feeling he will leave asap ... same with Davis.

I'd love if we could combo some of our players to get Josh Smith. I think he is the exact player we need here.

I love how you label Amir as "heart and soul". What do you call Casey? the "pearl of the east"? and colangelo as "the godfather" hahaha so melodramatic.

[belowtheheavens]

C: JV, Amir Johnson
PF: Bargnani, Ed Davis

I think this will be our strength as a team. To have Amir and Ed off the bench might be enough to put us over the edge in terms of hustle and energy. If JV ends up anything like advertised, he'll be perfect complimentary to Bargnani in the starting line up.

SF: FIRST ROUND PICK (Harrison Barnes? Michael Kidd-Gilchrist?), Linas Kleiza

Now I personally like MKG better but Harrison Barnes does have more talent, and I think the Raptors don't have enough talent to be able to pass on it. I love MGK intangibles though and I think he'll be solid even if he doesn't pan out due to his hustle and desire. I think we keep Kleiza for offense in the 2nd unit. I think its time to part ways with Bayless as I don't see him becoming a true PG or even a good player to be honest! I also think its time to flip Barbosa to a contender who needs another scoring piece on their bench (Lakers? Boston?) for their first round pick and take a back up PG with that pick and try to develop him. I don't like James Johnson enough to keep him. I think he's too erratic for him to be valuable to a team.

SG: Demar Derozan, A 3PT Specialist (Brandon Rush? Jodie Meeks?)

I look at this roster and see we're missing a 3pt sniper, who can be very useful off the bench. I'm sure Colangelo can find a decent 2-guard who can snipe long range and play adequate defense as Demar hopefully develops into a legitimate scorer and a borderline all-star.

PG: Jose Calderon, PG Prospect (Marquis Teague? Kobango?)

I think Jose is good enough to be a starting PG on a contending team, and I think he'll be a great PG to get Demar, Barnes, Andrea good looks and is a decent scorer himself. Now depending who we are able to flip Barbosa to (or even Bayless?) we could be looking at a nice young PG devoloping in the wings. If not, we can keep Barbosa and wait till 2013 to get our PG of the future.

So overall:

Starting Lineup
PG: Jose Calderon
SG: Demar Derozan
SF: Barnes/MKG?
PF: Andrea Bargnani
C: Jonas Valucianus

Bench:
PG Teague/Kobango? (Young gamechanger point guard)
SG Rush/Meeks? (3pt sniper)
SF Linas Kleiza (Scorer off the bench)
PF Ed Davis (hustle guy)
PF Amir Johnson (hustle guy)

I think thats a good enough team to make playoffs, and possibly compete depending on Derozan's development and what our first round pick can bring to the table.

[Miekenstien]

i dont really like the amnesty clause for our team. we have no untradeable players. we have a nice playoff addition in barbosa for anyone willing to give up a late first rounder. we have kleiza to package with either davis or our own first rounder this year.

i am happy with jose staying with us. i will take the 10 million off the books in a year and a half plus another year of high quality point guarding. replacing him with anyone will just put everyone on "relearn" with a new point guard. we are at the point where our team needs internal development.

we need young players to grow into our point guard. we need jose to sign for the midlevel after his big payday is over, to mentor said young man.

we need demar to develop into a complimentary player beside bargs.
*tangent here* but i believe that DC and BC went through the entire team player by player and know that bargs is the biggest advantage on offense we have on any given night so naturally all other players on the team need to learn to play around that.

we need JJ to learn to play heady solid D and anchor the second unit. we need bayless to learn how to pass enough that the second unit can get some points as a team instead of 1 on 5 with a few accidental assists.

we dont need musical chairs on this team. that is how a team stays garbage. we need players who know where each other is and how they like to play.

continuity breeds success in team sports. change can bring a spike in excitement but it isnt helping past next week.

im not saying dont make trades because if something comes up you jump on it. if someone is dumb enough to say demar for rose. we now have rose on our team. but it isnt going to happen.

[saints91]

C: JV, Amir Johnson
PF: Bargnani, Ed Davis

I think this will be our strength as a team. To have Amir and Ed off the bench might be enough to put us over the edge in terms of hustle and energy. If JV ends up anything like advertised, he'll be perfect complimentary to Bargnani in the starting line up.

SF: FIRST ROUND PICK (Harrison Barnes? Michael Kidd-Gilchrist?), Linas Kleiza

Now I personally like MKG better but Harrison Barnes does have more talent, and I think the Raptors don't have enough talent to be able to pass on it. I love MGK intangibles though and I think he'll be solid even if he doesn't pan out due to his hustle and desire. I think we keep Kleiza for offense in the 2nd unit. I think its time to part ways with Bayless as I don't see him becoming a true PG or even a good player to be honest! I also think its time to flip Barbosa to a contender who needs another scoring piece on their bench (Lakers? Boston?) for their first round pick and take a back up PG with that pick and try to develop him. I don't like James Johnson enough to keep him. I think he's too erratic for him to be valuable to a team.

SG: Demar Derozan, A 3PT Specialist (Brandon Rush? Jodie Meeks?)

I look at this roster and see we're missing a 3pt sniper, who can be very useful off the bench. I'm sure Colangelo can find a decent 2-guard who can snipe long range and play adequate defense as Demar hopefully develops into a legitimate scorer and a borderline all-star.

PG: Jose Calderon, PG Prospect (Marquis Teague? Kobango?)

I think Jose is good enough to be a starting PG on a contending team, and I think he'll be a great PG to get Demar, Barnes, Andrea good looks and is a decent scorer himself. Now depending who we are able to flip Barbosa to (or even Bayless?) we could be looking at a nice young PG devoloping in the wings. If not, we can keep Barbosa and wait till 2013 to get our PG of the future.

So overall:

Starting Lineup
PG: Jose Calderon
SG: Demar Derozan
SF: Barnes/MKG?
PF: Andrea Bargnani
C: Jonas Valucianus

Bench:
PG Teague/Kobango? (Young gamechanger point guard)
SG Rush/Meeks? (3pt sniper)
SF Linas Kleiza (Scorer off the bench)
PF Ed Davis (hustle guy)
PF Amir Johnson (hustle guy)

I think thats a good enough team to make playoffs, and possibly compete depending on Derozan's development and what our first round pick can bring to the table.

That is bang on, exactly what we should do.

I agree with keeping Kleiza, he is a good vet and will aid Jonas in his first year.

Our first target is a SF and then hopefully trade Barbosa for a 18-25 pick, although I don't see that being fair value for the team getting him.

Calderon should stay, he is a character guy with talent. He will be a great mentor for a young point guard. Bayless is not that person.

DeMar should not be traded. I've only seen his love for T.O., he comes here during the summer for stints and he seems to really love the place.

We desperately need a 3 point specialist. A Hubert Davis type guy that shoots over 40% and can defend

Andrea, JV, DeMar, and hopefully Barnes are our centre pieces.

[Nilanka]

Am I the only one who thinks it's HIGHLY unlikely that Davis or Barbosa are worth a top 20 pick? Barbosa is a rental player (expiring contract), and Davis just isn't that good.

[Miekenstien]

barbosa shouldn't bring in anything better than late first round i would think, but i disagree with the davis isn't that good statement. i think so far in his career he has been just as advertised. a defensive rebounder with a developing offensive game. i would be surprised if he didn't bring back the top 13 he was slotted in himself. the only reason for a lesser return would be other gms really really like this draft year i think.

[CalgaryRapsFan]

KEEP
- Bargnani
- Calderon
- Amir/Davis
- Kleiza
- DeRozan
- J.Johnson
- Forbes (could include in trade, for salary matching)
- Valanciunas

TRADE AT DEADLINE
- Barbosa
- Bayless (no way I qualify him for $4.16M)

TRADE AT DEADLINE OR AFTER SEASON (BEFORE DRAFT)
- Amir/Davis

TRADE OR LET LEAVE AFTER SEASON
- Magloire
- Carter
- Butler
- Gray
- Alabi

TARGETS FOR DRAFT/TRADE/FA
#1 - starting SF (Barnes or MKG)
#2 - backup pass-first PG of the future for Calderon to mentor
#3 - backup SG who can consistently make 3pt shots (likely a veteran player)
#4 - veteran 3rd C (could be Alabi, if he shows enough improvement to warrant $900k qualifying offer)
#5 - veteran 3rd PG

LINEUP (13 MAN ROSTER)
C: Valanciunas, Amir/Davis, cheap veteran C
PF: Bargnani, Amir/Davis, Kleiza
SF: Barnes/MKG, J.Johnson, Kleiza
SG: DeRozan, veteran 3pt shooter, Forbes
PG: Calderon, young pass-first PG, cheap veteran PG

[Nilanka]

barbosa shouldn't bring in anything better than late first round i would think, but i disagree with the davis isn't that good statement. i think so far in his career he has been just as advertised. a defensive rebounder with a developing offensive game. i would be surprised if he didn't bring back the top 13 he was slotted in himself. the only reason for a lesser return would be other gms really really like this draft year i think.

That's exactly my point. 2012 draft picks will come at a much steeper price than previous years, simply because it's being labelled as "one of the deepest drafts in history" (thanks to the lockout). I personally don't think an unproven big man, who's having trouble getting minutes on a lottery-bound team, is any more desirable to GMs than any of the options slated to go 15-20 in the first round.

[Mediumcore]

In my opinion:

Keep:
Andrea Bargnani (scorer + PF1)
Amir Johnson (Heart and Soul + PF2 or C2)
James Johnson (Energy player + SF2)

Trade:
DeMar DeRozan (Trade for a top 5 pick in this draft or combo with another for Star)
Ed Davis (Trade for top 15 pick in the draft)
Leandro Barbosa (Trade for top 20 pick in this draft)
Jose Calderon (Trade for top 20 pick in this draft)
Jerryd Bayless (Trade for a second rounf draft pick)

Amnesty Clause:
Linas Kleiza (No trade value)

I don't mind DeRozan really but I get the feeling he will leave asap ... same with Davis.

I'd love if we could combo some of our players to get Josh Smith. I think he is the exact player we need here.

I don't know if anyone on our roster is worth a straight up trade for a top 5 pick (except maybe AB whom we want to keep). Especially the way Demar has struggled so far. I would think that maybe you could trade our top 10 pick + Demar to a team like Detroit for their top 5 pick. Then you flip that top 5 pick along with Ed and Calderon for Rajon Rondo and Boston's 17th pick. They get a young big to replace their aging bigs, Jose's soon to be expiring contract and a serviceable year or two as well, as a top 5 pick, and we get one of the best young PG's in the league.

PG Rondo, Bayless
SG Doron Lamb or Tony Wroten Jr., maybe sign Weems when he returns?
SF Matt Barnes (via free agency), J. Johnson
PF Bargnani, A. Johnson
C JV, take your pick of a bunch of serviceable bigs that are free agents (and won't command top $$)...B. Lopez, Kaman, McGee

If there is a chance of that being possible I would say we'd have a good chance at being a top 5 tea, in the East.

[p00ka]

In my opinion:

Keep:
Andrea Bargnani (scorer + PF1)
Amir Johnson (Heart and Soul + PF2 or C2)
James Johnson (Energy player + SF2)

Trade:
DeMar DeRozan (Trade for a top 5 pick in this draft or combo with another for Star)
Ed Davis (Trade for top 15 pick in the draft)
Leandro Barbosa (Trade for top 20 pick in this draft)
Jose Calderon (Trade for top 20 pick in this draft)
Jerryd Bayless (Trade for a second rounf draft pick)

Amnesty Clause:
Linas Kleiza (No trade value)

I don't mind DeRozan really but I get the feeling he will leave asap ... same with Davis.

I'd love if we could combo some of our players to get Josh Smith. I think he is the exact player we need here.

Aside from it being an insane idea to have virtually an entire team of unproven rookies:

1. You can't trade players for just draft picks. You have to take back matching combination of salary/trade exception. It's a lot more complicated than unloading players for picks.
2. Barbosa is expiring contract, and likely has more value to team as just that: $ flexibility. Is there anybody who is going to take him on as a contender piece rental and have anything to give back to match that is also expiring? Always possible, but don't see much chance.
3. Bayless: another expiring and the way he's playing (hasn't progressed one iota in 3rd year), what do we have to take back, besides a late pick?
4. Jose: unless he gets injured, he's more valuable to this team over next few years than anything we'd get back. I say few years, assuming he resigns at much less, which I wouldn't be surprised that he would do, and help groom a young PG. He's a great soldier dedicated to organization and huge role model for young guys.

Nobody is untouchable, and good trades may well become available, but BC says he's going to be patient for the right one(s). I wouldn't be surprised if we go into next year with:
AB, Jose, Amir, JV, DD, ED, JJ, Kleiza, Forbes, High draft pick, and with lots of $$ to spend:
Very good FA or two, plus vet fillers. There has to be a young PG in there somewhere, because Bayless doesn't cut it.
Note: Raps still hold restricted FA rights of Weems. He could also be addition or flipped, just like Delfino coming back from Europe, in the kind of trade that landed us Amir. Could Weems and ED (or Amir, but rather keep him right now) get us something of value? maybe.

With a bit of a logjam of bigs coming up I wouldn't be surprised if either Amir or ED get moved, and Gray gets signed as deep backup C. ED would return very little of value unless he picks up his game a huge amount. Amir might get us something of value at PG/SG/SF though.

[Fully]

In my opinion:

Keep:
Andrea Bargnani (scorer + PF1)
Amir Johnson (Heart and Soul + PF2 or C2)
James Johnson (Energy player + SF2)

Trade:
DeMar DeRozan (Trade for a top 5 pick in this draft or combo with another for Star)
Ed Davis (Trade for top 15 pick in the draft)
Leandro Barbosa (Trade for top 20 pick in this draft)
Jose Calderon (Trade for top 20 pick in this draft)
Jerryd Bayless (Trade for a second rounf draft pick)

Amnesty Clause:
Linas Kleiza (No trade value)

I don't mind DeRozan really but I get the feeling he will leave asap ... same with Davis.

I'd love if we could combo some of our players to get Josh Smith. I think he is the exact player we need here.

I don't think the Raptors would be able to get back the type of draft picks you have listed in your scenarios. Ed Davis has unfortunately regressed in pretty much every category so far this season and I'd guess that his value is down all over the league. They are not getting a top 15 pick for him in such a loaded draft. For what they'd actually be able to get back for him the Raps are better off keeping the guy and hoping that his development gets back on track, which I still think has a good shot of happening.

I have a hard time seeing DeRozan fetching a top five either. Not with the potential that looks like it will be there in those picks at the draft. DD is still getting better but I think it's safe to say that his ceiling is less than "superstar" now. Most teams in those spots would rather hold on to the pick and try to find a franchise changing guy, and there will be a few available who have that type of buzz based on their potential.

Barbosa is the player most likely to be traded as he's in the last year of his deal and a playoff team might be interested in renting him for their stretch run (the man can still score), but I wouldn't be surprised if BC holds onto him and keeps the cap relief for himself. Either way I don't see many teams willing to give up a top 20 pick to get their hands on him.

[slaw]

I would love to see the Raps get another top 10 pick in this draft but I don't see how that happens without moving Bargnani as part of that package. The Raps just don't have much in the way of assets to move. That's the problem when you're as talent deficient as the Raps, trading just isn't an option.

I guess a lot of it depends on whether you view Derozan and Davis as rotation guys going forward. If you do, then trading them for potential rotation guys makes little sense at this point. If you think they are busts, then maybe trying to deal them on their rookie deals is for the best. Not sure how I feel about either guy at this stage but I don't get the sense management is down on either guy.

[Soft Euro]

Am I the only one who thinks it's HIGHLY unlikely that Davis or Barbosa are worth a top 20 pick? Barbosa is a rental player (expiring contract), and Davis just isn't that good.

That's kinda what I meant and not just with those two. It's all in Imaginationland territory.

[RAPresenting]

At this point I would be willing to trade anyone on the roster for the right package. No one is good enough to be labelled untouchable or anywhere near it. With that being said I also don't like the idea of a complete roster overhaul and continuing to try and get younger. We have enough young prospects/projects in Demar, JV, Ed, Bayless, JJ and a lottery pick next year. That's half a dozen players who need minutes and that's not counting Dre and Amir who are still young players with room for continued development. I think you draft the best player available regardless of position and and asses free agency and trades accordingly. Our most glaring need is at the SF position with a number of good players in the draft who could fill the void in Barnes and MKG. I'd love to see the Raptors get a Anthony Davis as him and JV could be a scary front court for the next decade and the thought of 2 of Dre/Ed/Amir you would assume would return a nice player. I'm just happy to see the Raptors collecting assets and being patient. No need to jump the gun at this point. If they're going to move anyone Barbosa would be my pick. I just don't want Jose dumped as he is great for the locker room and development of our players.