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    Default Is the Future not as Bright? (or is the future brighter? see post 130)

    I know it's early (14 games in), but I'm somewhat disappointed in what I've seen collectively from DeRozan, Davis, J.Johnson and Bayless. Going into the season, I was optimistic that at least 2 of these guys would step forward and cement themselves as legitimate pieces as this team continues the "building" plan, leaving us with just a few holes to fill in the summer of 2012.

    But if this rate continues, our future isn't as bright as I once thought it was, regardless of Valanciunas, the high draft pick and plenty of cap space.

    Agree/disagree?
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    You've got Bargs, Jose, and Amir as solid pieces right now. Next year you get two highly touted rookies and at least one significant free agent that can start. One of those rookies could start. Then you have a not bad bench of "DeRozan, Davis, J.Johnson and Bayless" and Kleiza. What's not to like.

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    Quote Puffer wrote: View Post
    You've got Bargs, Jose, and Amir as solid pieces right now. Next year you get two highly touted rookies and at least one significant free agent that can start. One of those rookies could start. Then you have a not bad bench of "DeRozan, Davis, J.Johnson and Bayless" and Kleiza. What's not to like.
    Barg`s, Jose, and Amir are the new core for this team. Hopefully JV will be the undisputed go-to-go when he arrives (after some seasoning). DeRozan can be a solid filler and the jury is still out on JJ. He has some tools to be a solid role player as well. I`m very disappointed in Davis. Lots of hype but no production. Can`t give up on him yet...i guess...but Amir is way ahead of him IMO. I think we are in good shape. Great coach and some good core players. We are probably 3 years away but as long as we`re progressing I`m happy.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    I know it's early (14 games in), but I'm somewhat disappointed in what I've seen collectively from DeRozan, Davis, J.Johnson and Bayless. Going into the season, I was optimistic that at least 2 of these guys would step forward and cement themselves as legitimate pieces as this team continues the "building" plan, leaving us with just a few holes to fill in the summer of 2012.

    But if this rate continues, our future isn't as bright as I once thought it was, regardless of Valanciunas, the high draft pick and plenty of cap space.

    Agree/disagree?
    Your expectations were too high. Rebuilds take time. Player development takes time. The season was shortened. There was hardly no camp. There is a new head coach. They're trying some new things. Everything is rushed but new.

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    You're disappointed in Davis? Really?

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    You're disappointed in Davis? Really?
    Yes. If anything both him & Demar have just been a huge disappointment thus far this season.

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    You're disappointed in Davis? Really?
    Yeah, Davis has been a huge disappointment so far this year (along with DeRozan). There's still plenty of time for him to turn it around, but I can't say he's showed us anything in 14 games that are worthy of goosebumps.

    Perhaps my impatience comes from the fact that both these guys are playing worse than last year. Stagnation is much more tolerable than regression.
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Yeah, Davis has been a huge disappointment so far this year (along with DeRozan). There's still plenty of time for him to turn it around, but I can't say he's showed us anything in 14 games that are worthy of goosebumps.

    Perhaps my impatience comes from the fact that both these guys are playing worse than last year. Stagnation is much more tolerable than regression.
    What type of player were you expecting Ed to be? I never thought the guy was going to be a future allstar, I think he can be a Udonis Haslem with better length and shot blocking. I never thought the guy would be much more than a 10-13 ppg game, but he can get you 10 boards a night with 1.5-2 block per. While he is not there yet, he is not far off either.

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    Quote WJF wrote: View Post
    What type of player were you expecting Ed to be? I never thought the guy was going to be a future allstar, I think he can be a Udonis Haslem with better length and shot blocking. I never thought the guy would be much more than a 10-13 ppg game, but he can get you 10 boards a night with 1.5-2 block per. While he is not there yet, he is not far off either.
    Yeah, I'm hoping for a Haslem-type player out of Davis too. I expected a little more offensive touch around the rim, and noticeably better defensive positioning. I was hoping his 15-ft jumper would be better too. I was expecting 10 and 8 averages this year.

    It doesn't look like the added weight has helped much either. He doesn't look to establish deep post position often, and he still gets pushed around easily on the glass.

    I know there's still plenty of time for Davis to get up to speed, but I haven't been impressed with what I've seen with him this year, especially when compared to last year.
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    I don't comment on the articles anymore, its just a bunch of idiots trying to rile you up by talking a lot of smack, heck I barely read the forum, anyways what im trying to say is just relax, maybe take up a new hobby, play some actual basketball, join boxing etc..................watch the games and read articles just don't get into it with idiots its not worth it, next season is going to look a lot brighter anyways.............

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    The biggest area of disappointment has been with Demar and ED. After the first few games almost everyone was excited about Demar's new found 3 ball and the future was bright, that all came crashing back to earth and now we are in panic mode. What happens when he goes on tear in a week for 4 or 5 games? As for Ed, that is a tough one. Offensively I don't think he will ever be a a legit threat, but he can become effective. The rebounding and shot blocking has been inconsistent, that can be correlated to his also inconsistent minutes. The season is early, give it time before we all jump off the burning building, there is lots of time to turn it around for some payers that we want more out of.

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    Just wait until his body catches up with his IQ. Dude is going to be a monster.

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    If you're seriously disappointed in Ed maybe you should pick another team for a couple years cause if you can't handle some growing pains this year might kill you.

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    I don't know what to say

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    My prediction is everyone is back on the DeRozan bandwagon by the end of the season. He changed his offensive game in the off-season, he has a new coach and didn't get much of a camp. I sense there is some confusion on how he puts it all together. Give him time.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    My prediction is everyone is back on the DeRozan bandwagon by the end of the season. He changed his offensive game in the off-season, he has a new coach and didn't get much of a camp. I sense there is some confusion on how he puts it all together. Give him time.
    Demar is not a good basketball player. Have not been on his bankwagon and never will be. His offence is supposed to be his strength and it is really not that good at all - his fundamentals are horrible - he does not use screens properly, does not pin and pop effectivelyto get open on the wing (watch to see home many times Calderon looks him off because he has not gotten himself open), never even uses a jab step or ball fake to get the defender 'off balance' so he can attack the rim. These are all basic things you learn in high-school. He is one of those players (see Fred Jones) who has relied on his athleticism to get him this far. However, he does not have the tools to succeed. His defence and basketball IQ are horrible, and to top it all off he seems extremly soft.

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    Quote black angus wrote: View Post
    Demar is not a good basketball player. Have not been on his bankwagon and never will be. His offence is supposed to be his strength and it is really not that good at all - his fundamentals are horrible - he does not use screens properly, does not pin and pop effectivelyto get open on the wing (watch to see home many times Calderon looks him off because he has not gotten himself open), never even uses a jab step or ball fake to get the defender 'off balance' so he can attack the rim. These are all basic things you learn in high-school. He is one of those players (see Fred Jones) who has relied on his athleticism to get him this far. However, he does not have the tools to succeed. His defence and basketball IQ are horrible, and to top it all off he seems extremly soft.
    Not sure what you mean by bankwagon

    i may agree with some of your points, but youre definitely way off on others.

    Demar maybe struggling, but last year he was 47%FG, 5FTM, 17PTS/game
    And this year, he improved his 3PT% by 26%! whoa!
    I think he just needs to do a bit of zen and yoga to get his head straight and he'll be fine.

    Besides, Fred Jones never avg more than 10pts, 3reb, 2FTM and 38%3PTM, in his entire career in the NBA. How is that even close to Demar? If Jones relied on his athleticism and produced only numbers like this, then Demar is superhuman.
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    Quote black angus wrote: View Post
    Demar is not a good basketball player. Have not been on his bankwagon and never will be. His offence is supposed to be his strength and it is really not that good at all - his fundamentals are horrible - he does not use screens properly, does not pin and pop effectivelyto get open on the wing (watch to see home many times Calderon looks him off because he has not gotten himself open), never even uses a jab step or ball fake to get the defender 'off balance' so he can attack the rim. These are all basic things you learn in high-school. He is one of those players (see Fred Jones) who has relied on his athleticism to get him this far. However, he does not have the tools to succeed. His defence and basketball IQ are horrible, and to top it all off he seems extremly soft.
    You might be confusing DeRozan with yourself.

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    Im actually just disappointed with Demar, coz of all the BS he was saying how hard he worked in the offseason, etc etc. And its not showing.
    I can understand if the team chemistry is off coz of a shortened season, but he should be doing more individually. Its not like he doesnt get touches, he just doesnt seem like he knows what to do out on the floor. But as ive said before, there might be something else going on behind the scenes. Maybe Casey is telling him to work more on his jumpshot and 3pt shooting rather than slashing, or maybe he has a minor injury, who knows. I kinda noticed that Casey seems to pull him out during the last few minutes of the game, which i dont agree with, coz Demar should be molded as the team's finisher. Maybe Demar doesnt like that either, and prefers to sulk during the 1st 3 quarters instead. Im just speculating here.

    I dont think its early in the season anymore, 14 games is already a lot, specially in a shortened season. I think this is as good as it gets for this season, for the raps, and i dont mind. as long as jose, amir, bargnani, ed, kleiza and jj play hard then thats fine. moving forward, i would like to see amir, bargnani, ed, demar and jj as part of the core, not necessarily starters, but at least part of the main rotation.

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    Quote tbihis wrote: View Post
    Im actually just disappointed with Demar, coz of all the BS he was saying how hard he worked in the offseason, etc etc. And its not showing.
    I can understand if the team chemistry is off coz of a shortened season, but he should be doing more individually. Its not like he doesnt get touches, he just doesnt seem like he knows what to do out on the floor. But as ive said before, there might be something else going on behind the scenes. Maybe Casey is telling him to work more on his jumpshot and 3pt shooting rather than slashing, or maybe he has a minor injury, who knows. I kinda noticed that Casey seems to pull him out during the last few minutes of the game, which i dont agree with, coz Demar should be molded as the team's finisher. Maybe Demar doesnt like that either, and prefers to sulk during the 1st 3 quarters instead. Im just speculating here.

    I dont think its early in the season anymore, 14 games is already a lot, specially in a shortened season. I think this is as good as it gets for this season, for the raps, and i dont mind. as long as jose, amir, bargnani, ed, kleiza and jj play hard then thats fine. moving forward, i would like to see amir, bargnani, ed, demar and jj as part of the core, not necessarily starters, but at least part of the main rotation.
    Check his game log from last year. He had rough stretches then as well, especially at the start of the season through November.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelo.../demar-derozan


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