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Thread: Starting Rasual Butler: not even pretending you aren't tanking.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Have we traded DeRozan for Mayo yet?
    Oh God help us...

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    i like that trade, actually. would do it in a heartbeat.
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    More specificity was needed.



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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    i like that trade, actually. would do it in a heartbeat.
    Will you still be saying that in a couple months after DeRozan is through this funk?

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    Quote malefax wrote: View Post
    The 'tank' consists in putting the Dwane Casey in a position where starting rasual Butler seems like it makes sense.
    exactly. It's not like the team is tanking on purpose, there is just not enough talent. Good news is that they are still playing hard and fighting in games, that will go a long way by the time next season rolls around

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    Will you still be saying that in a couple months after DeRozan is through this funk?
    Even when his shot is dropping, DeRozan won't have the guard-skills that Mayo already possesses. IMO, Mayo is the player we're hoping DeRozan might one day turn into.
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    I don't agree with that at all. I'm not hoping he becomes O.J. Mayo. If the Raptors want Mayo why not wait for the summer and sign him?

    Another thing for you to consider is that Mayo has been in the league going on four seasons and he hasn't improved. I'm not against him coming here but I'm against trading DeRozan for him. We're too quick to toss guys under the bus around here.

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    Hasn't improved, or hasn't been given the opportunity to improve? Let's face it, with Gay, Z-Bo, and Gasol, there isn't much ball to go around in Memphis.

    In Toronto, he'd instantly become the #2 scoring option. The numbers Mayo put up in his first 2 seasons tells me this kid's got game, just waiting for another opportunity to shine.
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    He can't even beat out Tony Allen for starter minutes.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    He can't even beat out Tony Allen for starter minutes.
    Don't forget the in-flight, post card game punch up last season that resulted in him getting dropped after pushing Tony a wee-bit too far.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Even when his shot is dropping, DeRozan won't have the guard-skills that Mayo already possesses. IMO, Mayo is the player we're hoping DeRozan might one day turn into.
    DeRozan will end up a way better player than mayo and will probably crack the all star game a couple of times. He has tons of time to improve. Plus this is a shorten season with no training camp, limited practice time, new coach, new system, new Defense, new philosophy and new offense. He's going to go up and down but once he understands everything he'll go HAM!

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    I don't agree with that at all. I'm not hoping he becomes O.J. Mayo. If the Raptors want Mayo why not wait for the summer and sign him?

    Another thing for you to consider is that Mayo has been in the league going on four seasons and he hasn't improved. I'm not against him coming here but I'm against trading DeRozan for him. We're too quick to toss guys under the bus around here.
    Quick to toss guys under the bus?...Like we were quick to toss Carter, Bosh or even Bargnani?... I think we need to be a little more trigger happy.

    Demar and even Bargnani will both fade when the going gets tough and you're going to have to replace their spine to change that. I say trade both~

    Also, Demar is a shooting guard who can't shoot.

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    Quote raptors2012 wrote: View Post
    Quick to toss guys under the bus?...Like we were quick to toss Carter, Bosh or even Bargnani?... I think we need to be a little more trigger happy.

    Demar and even Bargnani will both fade when the going gets tough and you're going to have to replace their spine to change that. I say trade both~

    Also, Demar is a shooting guard who can't shoot.
    He can't dribble either. Not a great combination.
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    DeMar should sit down and watch hours and hours of Rip Hamilton game tape. He is a more athletic Rip in my opinion.

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    DeMar should sit down and watch hours and hours of Rip Hamilton game tape. He is a more athletic Rip in my opinion.
    Hamilton is a non-stop mover without the ball. His motor never dies. I don't see the tenacity required in DeRozan.

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    Hamilton is a non-stop mover without the ball. His motor never dies. I don't see the tenacity required in DeRozan.
    Which is why he should sit down and start watching the game tape. Hamilton is a great mid-range player who knows how to curl off screens and get himself open. He can also post up and slash/drive. He doesn't have near the athletic ability of DeRozan yet is still effective at getting to the FT line.

    DeRozan is never going to be a young Vince Carter-type player, so he should stop modelling his game after it.

    As for not seeing the tenacity required, after watching Bargnani box out this year and play team defense:





    Anything is possible indeed.

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    Quote raptors2012 wrote: View Post
    Quick to toss guys under the bus?...Like we were quick to toss Carter, Bosh or even Bargnani?... I think we need to be a little more trigger happy.

    Demar and even Bargnani will both fade when the going gets tough and you're going to have to replace their spine to change that. I say trade both~

    Also, Demar is a shooting guard who can't shoot.
    What do you mean by "when the going gets tough"? Hasn't the going been tough since then end of the 2007/2008 season?

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    What do you mean by "when the going gets tough"? Hasn't the going been tough since then end of the 2007/2008 season?
    You think demar's disappearing now....just wait til they get to the playoffs. Bargs doesn't have the heart to pull us through in a playoff atmosphere either when they'll really be pounding him and testing his will. Could just see him giving up.

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    You think demar's disappearing now....just wait til they get to the playoffs. Bargs doesn't have the heart to pull us through in a playoff atmosphere either when they'll really be pounding him and testing his will. Could just see him giving up.
    DeMar isn't disappearing. He's struggling and has been struggling all season. It never seems to fail to shock me how most fans around here toss a player under the bus at the first sign of adversity. There is hardly no loyalty what so ever in Raptorsland. It's always "what have you done for me lately?"

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    DeMar isn't disappearing. He's struggling and has been struggling all season. It never seems to fail to shock me how most fans around here toss a player under the bus at the first sign of adversity. There is hardly no loyalty what so ever in Raptorsland. It's always "what have you done for me lately?"
    Not about loyalty. It's about putting our eggs in the wrong basket.

    Blows my mind how we put so much faith in a SG that can't shoot... or dribble.

    And since you're talking about loyalty... how many players do you think would take a pay cut to play in toronto if their demand is much higher elsewhere? Bargs? Wasn't he the one that said he'd rather like to play somewhere warm?

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