View Poll Results: Who should be #1 on the Raptors' list to sign?

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  • Nash

    13 33.33%
  • Batum

    15 38.46%
  • Mayo

    2 5.13%
  • Lin

    2 5.13%
  • Lee

    1 2.56%
  • Fields

    4 10.26%
  • Hinrich

    1 2.56%
  • Kidd

    0 0%
  • L.Williams

    0 0%
  • Green

    1 2.56%
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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    Exactly. I mean, do we overpay for promise/potential? What if he never does reach that potential? It's very slippery when you shell out for potential. I still have horrible vivid flashbacks of Yogi Stewart.

    Batum is a very intriguing player, I will admit that, but 11 million a season really makes me shudder.
    This is one you take the gamble on Mango. You want to know a sure fire sign that he's got legit big game besides how he's been playing to the naked eye? The Spurs are readying for a run at him this off-season.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    This is one you take the gamble on Mango. You want to know a sure fire sign that he's got legit big game besides how he's been playing to the naked eye? The Spurs are readying for a run at him this off-season.
    Do you ever wonder if the Spurs put rumours out there that they'd be interested in someone so that the competition would blow money - and subsequently cap space - on players?

    But yeah, if the Spurs are legitmately looking at him, I guess you gotta kick some tires and exact some due dilligence on him. However, if Batum is restricted, it's gonna take a real whopper of an offer (like in excess of 11-12 million) for Portland not to match.

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    Do you ever wonder if the Spurs put rumours out there that they'd be interested in someone so that the competition would blow money - and subsequently cap space - on players?
    Are the Spurs documented in the past for playing these sorts of games? I don't think they can jack his price up unless they actually place a competitive offer. Most teams with cap space aren't even a threat to the Spurs so I think the rumor is legit. Just like the rumor of them wanting JV badly last draft was legit. They're thinking about the next phase seeing as Duncan is in his final seasons in the league.

    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    But yeah, if the Spurs are legitmately looking at him, I guess you gotta kick some tires and exact some due dilligence on him. However, if Batum is restricted, it's gonna take a real whopper of an offer (like in excess of 11-12 million) for Portland not to match.
    Maybe, maybe not. Maybe they threaten to sign him but don't really want to do so. Maybe they play this tactic to secure something via a S&T such as DeRozan and Davis: some high talent, low cost players.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Maybe, maybe not. Maybe they threaten to sign him but don't really want to do so. Maybe they play this tactic to secure something via a S&T such as DeRozan and Davis: some high talent, low cost players.
    Good point. I'd be open to doing an S & T like that.

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    The Spurs want him because Parker is pushing for it, just like he managed to convince them to sign Diaw. These guys have played together every summer for years in National team, they developped chemistry and they get on so well that it would make a lot of sense for a team that values team spirit above individuals.

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    Quote Fanchie wrote: View Post
    The Spurs want him because Parker is pushing for it, just like he managed to convince them to sign Diaw. These guys have played together every summer for years in National team, they developped chemistry and they get on so well that it would make a lot of sense for a team that values team spirit above individuals.
    The Spurs nearly traded Parker last summer.

    Popovich and RC do not cater to the demands of star players - luckily Tim Duncan has never been a player to make demands as a star player. Their number one concern is San Antonio.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    The Spurs nearly traded Parker last summer.

    Popovich and RC do not cater to the demands of star players - luckily Tim Duncan has never been a player to make demands as a star player. Their number one concern is San Antonio.
    I'm not saying that they brought Diaw and would bring Batum because Parker whined, I'm saying that he suggested to add these guys because he knows them very well and they're intelligent players. And since Pop and management value star player's opinions (which is different from catering to their demands) and these one seemed like they would fit, it worked (at least for Diaw so far).

    I'm pretty sure Diaw would have ended up somewhere else after being cut by CHA if Parker hadn't been a spur.

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    Quote Fanchie wrote: View Post
    I'm not saying that they brought Diaw and would bring Batum because Parker whined, I'm saying that he suggested to add these guys because he knows them very well and they're intelligent players. And since Pop and management value star player's opinions (which is different from catering to their demands) and these one seemed like they would fit, it worked (at least for Diaw so far).

    I'm pretty sure Diaw would have ended up somewhere else after being cut by CHA if Parker hadn't been a spur.
    That is an opinion and speculation no one ever will have a definitive answer for. Given Diaw's skills, I don't think that statement is black and white or 100% accurate and fair. I can respect the opinion though.

    Considering the Spurs targeted him in the draft but they never got the chance to draft him, I think they've been watching Batum for a long time - nevermind Parker.

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    Quote Fanchie wrote: View Post
    I'm not saying that they brought Diaw and would bring Batum because Parker whined, I'm saying that he suggested to add these guys because he knows them very well and they're intelligent players. And since Pop and management value star player's opinions (which is different from catering to their demands) and these one seemed like they would fit, it worked (at least for Diaw so far).

    I'm pretty sure Diaw would have ended up somewhere else after being cut by CHA if Parker hadn't been a spur.
    Batum is going to be a huge investment. The Spurs are on the verge of a retooling. I don't think they look at Batum because Parker recommends it. I think they look at Batum because they're highly interested and as a bonus after thought it's nice to know that he'll get along well with Parker because they already know each other.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    That is an opinion and speculation no one ever will have a definitive answer for. Given Diaw's skills, I don't think that statement is black and white or 100% accurate and fair. I can respect the opinion though.

    Considering the Spurs targeted him in the draft but they never got the chance to draft him, I think they've been watching Batum for a long time - nevermind Parker.
    100% agree on the "it's not black or white". But the fact that Diaw already knew a large part of the Spurs' systems (because Parker brought them to Team France) must have been appealing for Pop.

    http://projectspurs.com/2012-article...ers-couch.html

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    I think the fact that they could sign a guy for peanuts who is talented enough to start really appealed to Pop. Regardless of where he was from he was a no brainer signing at that price.

    I don't think the Spurs have a history of signing guys because they're friends with guys already on the team. They seem all business first and foremost to me. I think if anything Diaw signed with the Spurs because Parker was there and they're a contender. The Spurs happily agreed.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    I think the fact that they could sign a guy for peanuts who is talented enough to start really appealed to Pop. Regardless of where he was from he was a no brainer signing at that price.

    I don't think the Spurs have a history of signing guys because they're friends with guys already on the team. They seem all business first and foremost to me. I think if anything Diaw signed with the Spurs because Parker was there and they're a contender. The Spurs happily agreed.
    Whatever they are doing they should bottle and sell it. Spurs will be making the playoffs for the 15th straight season (Longest on record) Every team should study how they operate and make choices. With Parker, Ginobli, Duncan, Bonner, Splitter, Diaw they have one of the most international teams with great players and no disruptive personalities. Even Stephen Jackson will behave himself there. Which is why I like Toronto's method of adding high character international players.

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    Excellent points. I agree with everything you said and it's why I roll my eyes every time someone recommends that the Raptors sign a high talent, low character player.

    Jackson behaved himself last time around in San Antonio so that probably helped them when considering bringing him in regardless of his past problems on teams with weak leadership.

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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    Whatever they are doing they should bottle and sell it. Spurs will be making the playoffs for the 15th straight season (Longest on record) Every team should study how they operate and make choices. With Parker, Ginobli, Duncan, Bonner, Splitter, Diaw they have one of the most international teams with great players and no disruptive personalities. Even Stephen Jackson will behave himself there. Which is why I like Toronto's method of adding high character international players.
    This plus the fact that they are awesome at international scouting.

    Parker/Ginobili/Splitter : average draft rank of 37.66

    Bobcats playing the same positions :

    Augustin/Henderson/Biyombo : average draft rank of 9.33

    Ouch.

    I know, i know : it's not a fair comparison, cause TP and Manu are way more experienced, but still...

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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    Whatever they are doing they should bottle and sell it. Spurs will be making the playoffs for the 15th straight season (Longest on record) Every team should study how they operate and make choices. With Parker, Ginobli, Duncan, Bonner, Splitter, Diaw they have one of the most international teams with great players and no disruptive personalities. Even Stephen Jackson will behave himself there. Which is why I like Toronto's method of adding high character international players.
    Other teams have already tried ....and the best way for ownership to do this is hire away senior personnel from the Spurs front office. The only one to my knowledge who has been successful is Presti of Seattle/OKC. My own view is that the straw that stirs the drink with the Spurs is Popovich and longevity of him and Buford at the top. I believe that Pop has more power than Buford there and all acquisitions/trades have to be approved by him. They just dont deviate from the type of players they employ and when they make a mistake they correct it immediatey (eg. they traded for Hedo and he lasted one season). Of course they lucky with a character player like Duncan after another one like Robinson so there was continuity there. But Pops commands so much respect that everyone falls in line. Duplicating him is not easy. That is why having a coach like Casey here is so very good.

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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    Other teams have already tried ....and the best way for ownership to do this is hire away senior personnel from the Spurs front office. The only one to my knowledge who has been successful is Presti of Seattle/OKC. My own view is that the straw that stirs the drink with the Spurs is Popovich and longevity of him and Buford at the top. I believe that Pop has more power than Buford there and all acquisitions/trades have to be approved by him. They just dont deviate from the type of players they employ and when they make a mistake they correct it immediatey (eg. they traded for Hedo and he lasted one season). Of course they lucky with a character player like Duncan after another one like Robinson so there was continuity there. But Pops commands so much respect that everyone falls in line. Duplicating him is not easy. That is why having a coach like Casey here is so very good.
    I'm not too sure about the Spurs the last few seasons. I can't believe they still haven't gotten an athletic big man to pair with Duncan (Splitter and Duncan don't seem to mash when playing together) and I think they are severly undersized against some teams with two offensively capable big man (like the Lakers and Mephis and even the Thunder when playing small with Durant at the PF). I fully expected them to trade for one during this season. Good regular season again, but I think they are only an outsider in the playoffs in spite of their record.

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    Word is the raps have a deal in place with Sasha "somehow banging Sharapova" V for 4 years/18 milli. Seems a little fishy to me but the fact it's even being reported is enough to make me throw up in my mouth.

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    Word is the raps have a deal in place with Sasha "somehow banging Sharapova" V for 4 years/18 milli. Seems a little fishy to me but the fact it's even being reported is enough to make me throw up in my mouth.
    Good god no!

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Good god no!
    LOL! I think this rumour needs to die quickly. I saw this on realgm. Some poster found a twitter post by some handle named kubilaykeceli who indicated that Sasha V is signing with the Raps.

    Here is the realgm link:
    http://forums.realgm.com/boards/view...=32&p=31512173

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    There must be some sort of mistake.

    Replace the words "Toronto Raptors" with "Spartak SP of the Russian Super League"

    And replace the words "4y/$18 million" with "a bag of peanuts"
    "I don't lie. I willfully participate in a campaign of misinformation." - Fox Mulder

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