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    Steve has already been mentoring Kabongo. Kabongo has commented on how much it means to him and how much it helps.

    You just have to look at Steve's own stats to see what kind of improvement is possible. Going from 42% to 53% FG shooting over 10 years. And from 2/1 to 8/1 assist to TO ratio and from .3 pts/min to .5 pt/min in scoring. It wasn't until his third year he even started playing 30 minutes a game. His physical skills haven't improved that much. He was 22 years, 8n months old when he started playing in the NBA. He didn't peak until he had been in the league for 10 years.

    I think a guy who has improved his game that much, and maintained it at that high a level has something to teach a younger player. Particularly one who has already said he wants to continue to learn from a veteran.
    8/1 assist to turnover ratio? He has the highest turnover ratio of starting pointguards (on hoopdata) and is averaging over 3,5 turnovers a game. An 8/1 assist to turnover ratio would be outerworldly.

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    I said he went from 2/1 to 8/1 over a ten year period, and he did. When he started, he was getting 2 assists to 1 T/O per game. Ten years later he was 11.1 assists to 1.4 T/O per game. 11.1/1.4 gives you 8/1. I simplified the numbers to make the ratio clear. Outerworldly maybe, but those were his numbers and what he accomplished by working at his trade and improving every year.

    I used his career stats so readers of the thread could "...see what kind of improvement is possible." I thought the meaning was clear within the context of that paragraph.

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    I said he went from 2/1 to 8/1 over a ten year period, and he did. When he started, he was getting 2 assists to 1 T/O per game. Ten years later he was 11.1 assists to 1.4 T/O per game. 11.1/1.4 gives you 8/1. I simplified the numbers to make the ratio clear. Outerworldly maybe, but those were his numbers and what he accomplished by working at his trade and improving every year.

    I used his career stats so readers of the thread could "...see what kind of improvement is possible." I thought the meaning was clear within the context of that paragraph.
    You simplified the stats by rounding down 3,6 to 1,4. Like I tried to say your stats are wrong. A 8/1 ratio would mean he is a son of Zeus, that should triggered a statcheck I'd think.

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    Here is Nash's rating from 82games. As they say "The main components of the 'Simple Ratings' are a production measure (a variant of John Hollinger's PER rating) for a player's own stats versus the counterpart player on the other team while he is on the court, as well as a simple on court/off court plus minus.

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    MIA James +18.0
    LAC Paul +15.9
    MIA Wade +14.9
    ORL Howard +12.7
    OKC Durant +11.1
    ORL Anderson +10.6
    PHO Nash +10.6

    Nash is tied for 6th in this measure of his effectiveness against opponents, in terms of on court production. How much of a drop off would you expect to see in two years?

    The first Raptor in the list comes in at 53nd place. Calderon comes in at 140. I would suggest that being Canadian might be some draw, but this kind of production is far more important. You might note that I suggest bringing in a young point guard for Nash to groom, and I advocate bringing Calderon back. When three years are done, and his production drops off, other options will be available. So I am targeting a 20-25 year old point guard to grow with the team.

    Maybe go back and read the orignial post, and read Matt's original post.
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    Actually after going back and reading Matt's original post I see I added very little to his points, other than the thought of a three year contract, with two years being the players option. I think giving Nash the chance to walk away if he doesn't like how things are going would be a key.

    I think I read that he lives in New York, so he'd be a little closer to home.No big deal, but no jet lag, no time difference for phone calls if true.