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    Quote CNOTE wrote: View Post
    I would have loved to see Steve Nash as a Raptor, but no one forced the Raptors to go ball out for Steve Nash. He owes the Raptors nothing, and he owes Toronto no loyalty. If you choose to get upset with him you are discriminating against him because he is Canadian, with the rationale being we are Canada's team every American player in Europe should play in D-League in the U.S. First he is from Victoria, if this was the Vancouver Grizzlies we may have a leg to stand on with regards to being upset with him. Second, please provide me the quote in which Steve Nash said he wanted to play for the Raptors or he wanted them to pursue him. I do not recall seeing that. As for him quitting the National team, get your heads out of your asses. He has done more for Basketball in Canada than anyone has done before. Him choosing the Knicks has no effect on that. If there is collateral damage to Canadian Basketball the blame goes squarley on moronic Canadians, and Bryan Colangelo for mis reading the situation.
    Thank you for being sane. Was beginning to think I was the only one after reading the comments in this thread.

    Honestly shocked at how people are reacting to this. Especially the calls for Nash to resign from his role with basketball Canada, as if somehow playing for the raptors and the national and amateur programs are connected. To demand him to promote the game in Canada by signing with the team is nothing short of ludicrous. A serious infusion of reality is needed there.

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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    Some sort of desperation trade involving Derozan? Bargnani ain't going anywhere. Neither is Valanciunas. Who else can he move for something meaningful? I have no doubt he'd love to make a big move but I don't see how unless he loses his mind and moves JV and/or the 2013 pick and I don't think he'd get the okay to do either.
    No, I'm thinking big money for Lin or maybe Batum. DeRozan and Andrea's trade value is minimal imo so no names are coming back for either of those guys via trade, even if BC was willing.

    I'm thinking he's going to try and spend some money. That Fields deal is also going to be a reminder of the failed Nash overtures.

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    Quote geo wrote: View Post
    just stop...I stopped reading when you said playing for a ring
    Agreed.

    If they get Nash and keep Lin, they are hard capped at $74M next season without even a starting 5, a payroll around $65M, and no other exceptions. Remaining 9 players need to be minimum contracts.

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    Quote heinz57 wrote: View Post
    most NY fans are also irrational dolts

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ba...7514--nba.html
    True. Very true!

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    Quote RaptorTy wrote: View Post
    Might as well send a s&t offer from us. Calderon and JJ for Nash straight up.
    Doesn't work that way. If Nash wants New York, it doesn't matter if we offer Phoenix a better package. Nash is the decision-maker (not the Suns).
    "I don't lie. I willfully participate in a campaign of misinformation." - Fox Mulder

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    Quote Lark Benson wrote: View Post
    Thank you for being sane. Was beginning to think I was the only one after reading the comments in this thread.

    Honestly shocked at how people are reacting to this. Especially the calls for Nash to resign from his role with basketball Canada, as if somehow playing for the raptors and the national and amateur programs are connected. To demand him to promote the game in Canada by signing with the team is nothing short of ludicrous. A serious infusion of reality is needed there.
    Agree 100%. Its not like he said "I will play for Toronto" then went somewhere else. This franchise has not done anything for him, so why should he be forced to sign here? Like i said before, if he signs here, it's all about what Steve Nash can give to the Raptors and Toronto, $36mil would be nice, but if he can earn slightly less AND compete for something bigger, then why not???

    He's wasnt even born here.

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    '"He wants to go to New York," said a person who has been briefed on the strategy brewing in Nash's camp Wednesday. Another person familiar with Nash's strategy seconded that opinion.'

    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ke...et-to-new-york

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    It's not me or my ilk feeling that way, but rather what the perception of the Toronto Raptors franchise is, that will be severely diminished as a result of Nash walking away. If we're not a laughing stock, red-headed step child type franchise within NBA circles (ie: free agents, American fans, casual non-basketball Canadian fans) already, we certainly will be.
    The only perception that counts is that of free agents. When the Raptors start ressembling a functional, winning team, free agents will have no hesitation signing here. Sure, Toronto will always be at a slight disadvantage for a variety of reasons (no ESPN, having to go through Customs, that sort of thing), but this won't be a major impediment once we start playing well. So, with all due respect, sir, I think your perception argument is flawed.

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    Quote Lark Benson wrote: View Post
    Thank you for being sane. Was beginning to think I was the only one after reading the comments in this thread.

    Honestly shocked at how people are reacting to this. Especially the calls for Nash to resign from his role with basketball Canada, as if somehow playing for the raptors and the national and amateur programs are connected. To demand him to promote the game in Canada by signing with the team is nothing short of ludicrous. A serious infusion of reality is needed there.

    The point of Basketball Canada is to promote the game within the country.

    To the casual fan this spurning kills their interest and supports all other 'puck head' jabs.

    To the NBA community it further validates the stigma of Canada.

    To hardcore fans such as myself, it makes me wonder if the denial of the stigma I've had for years is b.s. on my part.


    His spurning the Raptors in this manner - and using them as leverage to get a fair contract on the free agent market - does nothing to promote the game in Canada and, in my opinion, it only hurts the game in Canada at the professional level through which the most publicity for the sport in the country comes from to begin with.


    Do I think he should renounce his citizenship? No.
    Should he be insulted for making his choice? No.
    Should his family concerns make me unsympathetic? No.
    Should he be booed? No really - but I don't think the standing O is warranted anymore.


    These are just my thoughts but his actions are harming the game in Canada. Luckily, there is a group of young players coming up that might not feel the same as their American counterparts given the rising talent in the country and the rising number of top young Canadians playing (and dominating!) in US high school ball.

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    Quote LeeZ wrote: View Post
    The only perception that counts is that of free agents. When the Raptors start ressembling a functional, winning team, free agents will have no hesitation signing here. Sure, Toronto will always be at a slight disadvantage for a variety of reasons (no ESPN, having to go through Customs, that sort of thing), but this won't be a major impediment once we start playing well. So, with all due respect, sir, I think your perception argument is flawed.
    "When the Raptors start ressembling a functional, winning team, free agents will have no hesitation signing here. "

    But how can we assemble a winning team if the FAs don't go here in the first place?
    Nash could have been that one significant piece that would have enticed free agents to come over.
    Last edited by LateBoomer; Wed Jul 4th, 2012 at 04:33 PM.

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    Quote geo wrote: View Post
    just stop...I stopped reading when you said playing for a ring
    lol, you got me there. Alright, maybe not playing for a ring, but at least a realistic shot of getting past the first or perhaps even the second round.

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    As much as l want Nash to be a Raptor, l respect his decision to be part of a team that has a bigger chance of winning.

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    Quote LateBoomer wrote: View Post
    "When the Raptors start ressembling a functional, winning team, free agents will have no hesitation signing here. "

    But how can we assemble a winning team if the FAs don't go here in the first place?
    Trades, draft and good coaching. Eminently doable. Not easy, but doable.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    The point of Basketball Canada is to promote the game within the country.

    To the casual fan this spurning kills their interest and supports all other 'puck head' jabs.

    To the NBA community it further validates the stigma of Canada.

    To hardcore fans such as myself, it makes me wonder if the denial of the stigma I've had for years is b.s. on my part.


    His spurning the Raptors in this manner - and using them as leverage to get a fair contract on the free agent market - does nothing to promote the game in Canada and, in my opinion, it only hurts the game in Canada at the professional level through which the most publicity for the sport in the country comes from to begin with.


    Do I think he should renounce his citizenship? No.
    Should he be insulted for making his choice? No.
    Should his family concerns make me unsympathetic? No.
    Should he be booed? No really - but I don't think the standing O is warranted anymore.


    These are just my thoughts but his actions are harming the game in Canada. Luckily, there is a group of young players coming up that might not feel the same as their American counterparts given the rising talent in the country and the rising number of top young Canadians playing (and dominating!) in US high school ball.
    This exactly. He has the right to play in NY, and I even feel that he was the best guy for the GM job with Basketball Canada, but this is undeniably damaging to the reputation of basketball within Canada, and to the reputation of Canadian basketball outside of it. That's why I don't think he should continue with the organization.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Doesn't work that way. If Nash wants New York, it doesn't matter if we offer Phoenix a better package. Nash is the decision-maker (not the Suns).
    Unless Phoenix doesn't like the trade pieces from New York. It's not like NY can tell Phoenix to take a hike and sign Nash straight up (unless Nash is willing to take a HUGE pay cut).

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    Quote big red wrote: View Post
    Unless Phoenix doesn't like the trade pieces from New York. It's not like NY can tell Phoenix to take a hike and sign Nash straight up (unless Nash is willing to take a HUGE pay cut).
    Yup... Phoenix has some leverage here. If Phoenix hates the pieces that NY is offering, Phoenix can say No. Nash would then have to settle for $3M or NY would have to find a 3rd team.

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    Quote LeeZ wrote: View Post
    The only perception that counts is that of free agents. When the Raptors start ressembling a functional, winning team, free agents will have no hesitation signing here. Sure, Toronto will always be at a slight disadvantage for a variety of reasons (no ESPN, having to go through Customs, that sort of thing), but this won't be a major impediment once we start playing well. So, with all due respect, sir, I think your perception argument is flawed.
    What you said is exactly what my argument is.

    All I meant is that if the only Canadian NBA franchise, which is pulling out all the stops, is unsuccessful in its attempts at luring 39-year old 'Captain Canada' and GM of the Canadian National team to play his last few years in front of sold our crowds that would hail him as a national hero, then it does not bode well for the franchise's ability to sign big name free agents in the future. Especially since Nash would very likely help lead this team back into a winning, playoff calibur franchise.

    The perception among other free agents and would-be Raptors could very well become "well if Nash won't even sign with the Raptors and doesn't want to play basketball in Canada, why would I want to?", as a result of Nash spurning us. That's what I am fearful of and am worried about... I'm not upset or pissed off at Nash or anything like that.
    Last edited by CalgaryRapsFan; Wed Jul 4th, 2012 at 04:46 PM.

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    We expect BC to lure good American players to Toronto when the guy can't get a 38-yr old Canadian to come over for massive money. Not that I really wanted Nash here, but the fact that this makes the Raptors look like total jackasses hurts me.

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    This exactly. He has the right to play in NY, and I even feel that he was the best guy for the GM job with Basketball Canada, but this is undeniably damaging to the reputation of basketball within Canada, and to the reputation of Canadian basketball outside of it. That's why I don't think he should continue with the organization.
    Explain to me why him choosing to go to a better team is any indictment on Canadian Basketball. As well explain to me how the Toronto Raptors being shitty have any indictment on Canadian Basketball. I am as loyal a fan as I can possibly be with the Raptors and I fill myself with false hope every year to make myself feel better, but there are a few clear things that I cannot hide. One The Raptors are not a good team, everyone can argue all they want bottom line they are not a good team. That single fact has no relevance to the fact that they are a Canadian team, infact they have no Canadian Basketball Players. If Steve Nash chose not to come to the Raptors it is based on that fact alone. Why would a 2 time MVP going on his last contract want to come to a team that historically can't win and historically can not even lose properly. This is not about Canadian Basketball and thankfully we have the likes of Tristan Thompson, Myck Kabongo, Andrew Wiggins, Andrew Nicholson, Kris Joseph, Cory Joseph, and quite a few more very promising Canadian players on the horizon that will make this a non factor regarding Canadian Basketball in a few years. This is purely a professional decision and should have no affect on his job as gm of Canada Basketball. Infact those names I just listed where probably influenced by Steve Nash when they began. Don't blame Nash, blame MLSE, Richard Peddy, Bryan Colangelo, Wayne Embry, Rob Babcock, Jack Mckluskey, and Glen Grunwald for not producing anything in 17 years. Each one of these people had their hands in the shittiness that is the Raps, so pick one and vent.

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    Has anybody mentioned the irony that we hoped to get Nash on Canada day and now he might go to NY on July 4th. Guess we have bigger things to worry about.

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