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    Default ED not the PF on the Block?

    There was a twitter feed from Ryan Wolstat:
    Dwane Casey said the Raptors plan to totally rework Ed Davis' jumper and footwork on his jumper in the off-season
    That would lead me to believe that if BC is trading out of the 'stacked' PF position it would mean Amir.

    It could be misdirection, however it would be foolish since this would, imo, lessen ED's trade value.

    http://hoopshype.com/rumors/tag/toronto_raptors

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    I certainly hope it'd be Amir on the block over Ed.

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    If someone has to go, and they do, it has to be Amir.

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    Ed has more potential and more post moves. I love Amir but someones gotta go I'm sorry amir. I wish there was a way to keep him

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    If this is a deductive reality is there a connection to Amir not playing particularly well in the last while. Maybe he already knows and the passion is lacking?

    That he also makes what he does maybe an issue here in terms of paying for other acquisitions.

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    cap wise it needs to be amir. but i think that it will come down to either draft day or trade deadlne day and whichever of the two gets the better return is the one bc trades out.

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    a lot of talk about eds upside, but i'm not sold on it yet. i'd keep amir, hes aggressiveness (ie chasing loose balls, rebounding) alone makes him a huge asset

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    Trade both of them and draft Thomas robinson

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    We don't owe Ed much money and he is likely the best prospect on the team. If he got that short range jumper and put on some more weight he could be a beast at the four.
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    I'm hesitant to keep ED. I understand he has more potential to his offensive game (i.e. short range jumper, actual post moves..), but I really don't feel like he a) wants to be here or b) is willing to be a first big off the bench. Maybe I'm reading into it incorrectly, but I get the feeling that he wants out... Hopefully I'm wrong.

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    I've seen more of AMIR's upside than ED's. I'd trade ED in a heartbeat.

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    I wouldn't read too much into Casey's comments. It's not his job to plan trades, it's his job to look at all the assets he has and decide how he's going to get the most out of them. I'd expect that Casey also has things that he'll have Amir work on over the summer, if Amir is still on the team.

    That said, while I suspect that the Raptors would rather keep Ed than Amir, I think it'll depend what the market is for each, and right now neither are great. Wouldn't shock me if both of them are on the team next year simply because Colangelo can't get a fair deal for either of them.

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    I've been arguing since the offseason that Amir should be the 1st PF traded. I prefer Davis' age/salary/upside over Amir, for the long-term. I assume it will eventually wind up being the return coming back to the Raptors, that determines who stays and who goes. On one hand, I see other teams wanting Davis for the reasons I mentioned, but Amir's salary could be a difference maker if BC is open to taking salary back (either adding a core player, or taking on salary along with a decent draft pick). It's really tough to speculate without having any confirmed (and I use the term loosely) rumors to evaluate and compare.

    I assume BC would prefer to trade Amir, simply to free up cap space, but I would guess it's 50/50 right now. Regardless who gets traded first, I would wager quite heavily that we won't see both players on next season's opening night roster.

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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    If this is a deductive reality is there a connection to Amir not playing particularly well in the last while. Maybe he already knows and the passion is lacking?

    That he also makes what he does maybe an issue here in terms of paying for other acquisitions.
    if he did know.. then playing with a lack of passion would be the last thing he would want to be doing, would it not?
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    if he did know.. then playing with a lack of passion would be the last thing he would want to be doing, would it not?
    Not if he has an "up yours" attitude to being shopped around. He could also be "sad" about it. Being aware that you might not be wanted anymore is not a pleasant feeling. But he does have his contract. I was just musing...who knows...but BC seems to be an upfront gm and I would not be surprised if he gave a headsup on it.

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    It comes down to physical vs. the intangibles.

    Davis - High upside, more skills, possible jumpshot but sulks too damn much and his body language suggests he may not want to be here or put the work in to improve.

    Amir - Obviously loves t-dot and the team, will do anything to help Raps win, and puts heart and soul into every game but skill level is lacking and what we see is basically what we get.

    One factor is that once Davis improves and his value goes up, he may not commit long term to the Raps, while Amir already has. In my mind keep Amir, but to each his own...

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    Lack of talent can be filled by spirit and passion for the team and the game, in other words, bloody practice, hard work.

    If there's a talent but no spirit then nothing can help, and the player will remain just a guy with high ceiling, we will see him only regressing and when the time comes, throw him away.

    I would say take the spirit, it does wonders to the players sometimes and is the quality, which is becoming rare and should be more valued in NBA (business).
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    Quote JYFelony wrote: View Post
    I'm hesitant to keep ED. I understand he has more potential to his offensive game (i.e. short range jumper, actual post moves..), but I really don't feel like he a) wants to be here or b) is willing to be a first big off the bench. Maybe I'm reading into it incorrectly, but I get the feeling that he wants out... Hopefully I'm wrong.
    How do you know he doesn't want to be here? his attitude is just like that. He's calm and plays the game how it should be played. He can do anything amir does and possibly more. I love amir to death but if i had to choose one to go it would be amir. Although i think we could keep amir as a backup C next season and magloire as a 3rd string. Gray would most likely be gone

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    In terms of upside, I would agree that Ed has the advantage. But Amir brings the energy and hustle that you need from your bench. Remember, Bargnani is playing PF so whoever stays will be first big off the bench once JV gets here (and if he pans out). And so far I don't trust Ed's demeanor and motor. I must admit though, it's hard to make a read on him since he's played so few games for us so far after being injured most of last season. But if I had to pick right now, I'd go with Amir because I already know what I'm getting from him off the bench, which is energy and hustle on both ends- just what I like from the bench. Age isn't a factor for me since both have long careers ahead of them.

    I also like the combination of Johnson & Johnson on the defensive end. Along with Barbosa (highly unlikely to stay) on the offensive end, we'd have a very solid bench if we can find a decent PG (Calderon- minus the contract) and C (I can live with Gray/Magloire though). It's the starters that lack talent on this team since our starters should really be bench players on good teams.

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    We can debate skill level and upside all day, but the reality is that it will come down to money. Amir's contract will yield far less in return than Davis' rookie deal, and there's little to no chance that the Raps will be able to afford to keep Davis if they sign DeMar to an extension and have Val and this year's draft pick to consider down the road.

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