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Thread: Starting SG: Nicolas Batum vs. DeMar DeRozan

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    of these two i would choose batum right now. i think that demar is going to pull through though. you cant have both in my opinion. even starting at sg you cant overstate batum' versatility and defence. a much more polished game then demar right now. demar has more upside if he could put it together consistently though i think.

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    I would go Batum in this scenario, and don't see why it is a Chandler or Batum but both. That said Batum and Barnes/MKG/Miller plus JJ/Kleiza is a good rotation with a minor addition FA wing and Forbes.
    Also remember that Bargnani would be the #1 option for a while with, insert draft pick here, and Batum being secondary options. Calderon and JVal would be very complementary to this group.

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    If there is a choice I take Derozen he's cheaper with his rookie deal still in effect for two seasons, and I think he will end up being a better scorer than Batum (I would argue he already is). I actually don't like the idea of picking up Batum at all, either at the three or two. I'm kind of at the point where unless there is a big name out there that is a clear upgrade, maybe we should just stick with this team as it currently looks.
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    Batum would just make us mediocre and we'd have to overpay for him.

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    Batum would just make us mediocre and we'd have to overpay for him.
    Like I said.

    Batum plays like a third option. He's not taking over games, and if he does, it's because he's a good shooter, it happens, but not consistently at all.

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    Not even close as Batum is superior in every part of the game

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    Quote Pizzaman wrote: View Post
    Not even close as Batum is superior in every part of the game
    right now he is. Long term DeMar IMO will end up a better player

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    right now he is. Long term DeMar IMO will end up a better player
    How long you wanna wait? Batum is only a year older, and is miles better -right now-. Demar is going to be looking for Batum money when it's contract time, doubtless. If you could somehow exchange Demar for Batum as your starting SG, you do it now and don't look back.

    But I doubt that's going to happen. Demar will hopefully continue to improve, because I'm pretty sure he'll still be here in 2012-13.
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    Quote jimmie wrote: View Post
    How long you wanna wait? Batum is only a year older, and is miles better -right now-. Demar is going to be looking for Batum money when it's contract time, doubtless. If you could somehow exchange Demar for Batum as your starting SG, you do it now and don't look back.

    But I doubt that's going to happen. Demar will hopefully continue to improve, because I'm pretty sure he'll still be here in 2012-13.
    he's not miles ahead. Maybe a bit better in areas other than scoring but thats it. You guys make this guy seem like god but the truth is he's not much better than DeRozan and he'll just make us a 40 win team, not to mention we'd have to over pay for him. He averaged 12.4 points, 1.5 Assists and 4.5 Rebounds last season. DeMar averaged 17.2 PPG, 4 rebounds and 2 assists plus a steal. Now you tell me who's better? if your talking about defense it'll improve for sure cause of dwane casey. In a season or 2 DeMar will be "Miles" better

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    he's not miles ahead. Maybe a bit better in areas other than scoring but thats it. You guys make this guy seem like god but the truth is he's not much better than DeRozan and he'll just make us a 40 win team, not to mention we'd have to over pay for him. He averaged 12.4 points, 1.5 Assists and 4.5 Rebounds last season. DeMar averaged 17.2 PPG, 4 rebounds and 2 assists plus a steal. Now you tell me who's better? if your talking about defense it'll improve for sure cause of dwane casey. In a season or 2 DeMar will be "Miles" better
    Stats alone don't tell the entire story. Batum has never been anything but the 3rd option on a good Portland team, whereas DeRozan was option 1A the second half of last season and option 2 starting this season.

    Reading all the various posts on RR, I don't believe there is any 'hate' for DeRozan, but rather concern over his regression this year and lack of improvement over 2+ seasons on a variety of core skills that are critical to success for a SG:
    - poor dribbler, which prevents him from being an effective penetrator
    - weak finisher; goes out of his way to avoid contact and goes for circus shot type layups instead of forcing the issue and going for the dunk and taking the foul
    - weak jumper, which looks worse this season
    - terrible 3pt shooter
    - terrible defender

    Batum stands out (as do players like Mayo and Gay) because he does the critical things so much better than DeRozan does - defends, dribbles/penetrates and knocks down the 3. I expect that most fans hope that DeRozan can improve, but he's shown no signs of it and he is now entering the back end of his third season. Now is defintely time to be alarmed.

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    Batum is easily the better player right now, defensively and offensively. If he had the minutes that Demar has, his stats would show it. He's only a year older, so it's not like he's reached his ceiling

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    he's not miles ahead. Maybe a bit better in areas other than scoring but thats it. You guys make this guy seem like god but the truth is he's not much better than DeRozan and he'll just make us a 40 win team, not to mention we'd have to over pay for him. He averaged 12.4 points, 1.5 Assists and 4.5 Rebounds last season. DeMar averaged 17.2 PPG, 4 rebounds and 2 assists plus a steal. Now you tell me who's better? if your talking about defense it'll improve for sure cause of dwane casey. In a season or 2 DeMar will be "Miles" better
    Again, how sure are you that Demar will get better, and wind up much better than Batum? Because Batum IS better, now. And has the same opportunity to continue getting better that Demar has. They are pretty much the same age, and will command pretty much the same money. To me, that makes it a no-brainer: if someone wants to offer Batum basically straight-up for Derozan, you take it.

    You're completely guessing at Demar's upside based on bias: you want him to stay in Toronto *and* become a "1A" player on a playoff team. I'd be quite happy with that, but in reality, "usual slow start/stronger second half" notwithstanding, he hasn't shown that he's on that road at all over the past 2 years.

    There's no "hate" here for Demar -- he's been playing well on offense for the past couple of weeks, and I hope it continues. I also hope he shows some improvement on his horrid perimeter D in the second half, because I personally would like more from the starting SG than just 20 points per game.
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    I think having both would be the ideal situation. Both are great prospects, and bring different elements. If we draft a SF then we still could bring in Batum or Chandler to play the 6th man role or start at SG. You play the better player. DeMar easily could sub for both positions just as Batum or Chandler can. Further more if we draft a SF, it's likely they will need time to adjust and better their games. So you would have versatile depth at the SG/SF/PF/C positions. We have numerous players that can play multiple positions.

    Jonas/Gray/Amir/Bargnani
    Bargnani/Ed/Amir/J.J./Kleiza
    Barnes or MKG or Miller/Batum/J.J./Kleiza
    DeMar/Batum/Forbes
    Calderon/?????/Forbes(possibly someone else on the veteran minimum.

    That's a good line up with great depth! Most of the pieces are interchangeable. That's 12 good players and still have cap room or the midlevel exception to sign a backup PG.
    Last edited by saints91; Mon Feb 27th, 2012 at 05:54 PM.

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    B.C's outlook is that Demar is the future shooting guard for this team. So unless we are offered O.J Mayo or Eric Gordon, expect him here for a long time.

    I'm sticking with Derozan. I really believe he can pick his groove back up, plus he has had some good pre-all star break numbers. Plus defensively he's done a much better job.

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