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    Default Players I hope won't be raptors after 11-12 season

    Jared Sullinger - tweener any idiot of and NBA GM knows this guys game will not prosper in the PF filled NBA.
    Sean May, Marcus Fizer, Jordan Hill, Tyrus Thomas, Ike Diogu, shelden williams

    the list goes on forever - nice NCAA players in the paint but they can not get their game off in NBA due to size.
    First rounder yes. Lottery pick no way. I like Jared's game he is a great kid. But lottery?

    he is first on my list for a reason because OMG if raps get a PF in a draft like this it would be non-reconcilable worse than drafting Hoffa.

    Steve Nash - I love Steve Nash -but as a player no. By the time Raps are respectable Nash will be in wheelchair alongside Professor Xavier.
    As a front office type sure I may be open to that after his playing career.

    Leandro Barbosa - fun to watch. creative. deadly when he gets on a roll. but does not defend 2's well. does not fit in with the culture of D Casey moving forward IMO. Lets face it he and his contract are a welcome replacement for Hedork Turk-o-glue. But, on the real, teams that he has been on don't go deep. Never will. Must have size and desire to defend perimeter if you are 2a.

    Rasual Butler - Rasual Butler thank you for staying shape and remaining a decent defender. This is not hate you did what millions of other could not... but c ya

    did I miss any?
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    magloire
    a. carter
    forbes
    maybe even Ed Davis

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    Quote DoNDaDDa wrote: View Post
    magloire
    a. carter
    forbes
    maybe even Ed Davis
    Why Ed Davis? Keep Magloire, he's a good personality, nothing easy, and he's a Rasheed Wallace type guy.
    Forbes is fine. Anthony Carter I agree with.

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    Bayless
    Carter
    Butler
    Big Cat

    Probably 1other player based on what position we draft. Depending on what Barbosa wants I would keep him.

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    Quote DoNDaDDa wrote: View Post
    magloire
    a. carter
    forbes
    maybe even Ed Davis
    how about draft players? - if BC drafts a PF with out trading Davis and amir for a front line PG (which I dont see happening) should he not be immediately shown the door?
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    Quote DoNDaDDa wrote: View Post
    magloire
    a. carter
    forbes
    Those guys are on the team this season because Colangelo is playing for lotto balls. Don't worry, they won't be back. Fans should be happy they're here this season, especially based on posts on this board heading into 2011 FA period.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Those guys are on the team this season because Colangelo is playing for lotto balls. Don't worry, they won't be back. Fans should be happy they're here this season, especially based on posts on this board heading into 2011 FA period.
    Isn't Forbes contract guarantee for next year?

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    I have no problem keeping Carter Magloire and Butler...as the 13th 14th 15th man and for vet minimums

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    Players I absolutely don't want to see back under any circumstance:
    - Magloire
    - Alabi
    - Butler
    - Barbosa (would be a sin not to trade him to get at least a 2nd round pick in return)
    - Bayless (would like to trade for an asset; not worth the $4M+ his qualifying offer is worth)
    - Carter

    Players I hope aren't back because something better is available one way or another:
    - Amir/Davis (my preference would be to trade Amir and keep Davis, but it's ultimately dependent on market value of each)
    - Gray (I wouldn't mind him back, but perhaps a deal is worked out with Denver to take back Andersen, so they don't match an offer for Chandler)
    - Forbes (don't care one way or another, but if he's gone, it's likely because his salary was needed in a blockbuster deal to get a stud player)
    - DeRozan (I like him, but if he can be upgraded to a player like Batum, Mayo or Gay, I'd be a happy Raptors fan!)
    - Calderon (I would love to see him run an improved Raptors team next season, but he's over 30, not part of the long-term future and I'd be happy to see him go if it nets the Raptors at least one 1st round pick in the draft)

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Players I absolutely don't want to see back under any circumstance:
    - Magloire
    - Alabi
    - Butler
    - Barbosa (would be a sin not to trade him to get at least a 2nd round pick in return)
    - Bayless (would like to trade for an asset; not worth the $4M+ his qualifying offer is worth)
    - Carter
    Magloire, Alabi, and Carter are end of roster type player and whether they return in no way impact the Raptors expected win percentage.

    I agree that Bayless is not worth the qualifying offer. However, why would a team trade for his services if he's not worth the qualifying offer? I think he can be moved but we will receive in return will be just a different problem and maybe a 2nd round pick to sweeten the deal. As I am not a believer in 2nd round picks, I would rather we keep him and try to resign him for 2-3 years at $2.5M per year if they cannot resign Barbosa.

    Your comment about Barbosa is just plain nuts in my opinion. Second round picks rarely turn out to be serviceable players and I would rather the organization shows some commitment to be competitive in a few more games this season than be willing to ballast rotation player for what is highly likely to be a garbage player (if he even makes the roster). I have no problem if the Raptors try to extend Barbosa to 2-3 years at a lower salary.

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    Agree with Calgary minus Gray (he's perfect for his role) and Forbsey

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    Agree with Calgary minus Gray (he's perfect for his role) and Forbsey
    why do u like forbes soo much? he's a scrub

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    Quote charlz wrote: View Post
    Jared Sullinger - tweener any idiot of and NBA GM knows this guys game will not prosper in the PF filled NBA.
    Sean May, Marcus Fizer, Jordan Hill, Tyrus Thomas, Ike Diogu, shelden williams

    the list goes on forever - nice NCAA players in the paint but they can not get their game off in NBA due to size.
    First rounder yes. Lottery pick no way. I like Jared's game he is a great kid. But lottery?
    Uhhh what about Zack Randolph, Luis Scola, Carl Landry, Carlos Boozer, Elton Brand, etc.?

    Yes, I realize Scola never played in the NCAA but he's in the same boat.

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    Quote Prime wrote: View Post
    Uhhh what about Zack Randolph, Luis Scola, Carl Landry, Carlos Boozer, Elton Brand, etc.?

    Yes, I realize Scola never played in the NCAA but he's in the same boat.
    1) what have any of them won?
    2) If you want to make up a list of big men with big salaries who missed a lot of time due to injuries Brand and Boozer are right there

    3) Sulinger is listed @ 265 I think he is even bigger now weight will be an issue already 20+ on Scola

    4) Carl Landry: are we really comparing him to a lottery pick from this draft?

    Nice enough list of players I see your point but if the Raps burn up their lottery on Sulinger it would be a huge mistake. Players like him are common. And with all their weight and banging expect and injury plagued career.
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    Here's my list of players I desperately want to see remain on the Raptors next year:
    your pal,
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    Quote ebrian wrote: View Post
    Here's my list of players I desperately want to see remain on the Raptors next year:
    "I may be wrong ... but I doubt it"

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    Quote ebrian wrote: View Post
    Here's my list of players I desperately want to see remain on the Raptors next year:
    That's what I thought about the Knicks in 2003. I was a huge fan, but Thomas ruined the franchise. So in 2003 I decided I would concentrate on my second favourite team, The Raptors. I always said I would go back when they straightened things out, but I see nothing I like about them. I'm a Raptors fan from now on, and I think there is very promising pieces and a bright future.

    I think you are due for a change if you like nothing on the team.

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    Quote saints91 wrote: View Post
    I think you are due for a change if you like nothing on the team.
    Of course you're entitled to your opinion but I respectfully disagree. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean you have to give up on it.

    Anyway, I just think there isn't a player on the team that we desperately should hang onto or feel attached to. As far as I can tell, only Jose Calderon would have a shot at starting on a good team in the NBA. Everyone else would be coming off the bench. We have quite a few overpaid players. Bargnani has probably the most value right now; he's really elevated his game this season -- but we're talking about 13 games out of a 5+ year career. Is he a Jose Bautista, or an Eric Hinske?

    I don't see a player on our roster that I would think "OMG, I hate Colangelo so much for trading that guy, he was sooooo good." That's not to say our team is entirely worthless -- I think there are a few guys on the team that have value, and if they're not on this team next year, then that means we traded him and hopefully got someone with equal or better value in return. Same thing for free agents -- there's no one I see on our roster that I'm thinking "OMG, if Colangelo doesn't re-sign this guy, I'm gonna kill myself!"

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    Quote ebrian wrote: View Post
    "OMG, if Colangelo doesn't re-sign this guy, I'm gonna kill myself!"
    Lol, I hope there never is!

    I'm just busting your chops. I think Bargnani in past years was playing up to his contract. This season in the limited amount that he has played he is well above his contract.

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    Quote saints91 wrote: View Post
    Lol, I hope there never is!

    I'm just busting your chops. I think Bargnani in past years was playing up to his contract. This season in the limited amount that he has played he is well above his contract.
    That's true, except that he's only played 13 out of 33 games so far. He's made $346K per game. We're getting as much bang for our buck as we did from Reggie Evans over the past two seasons.
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