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Thread: ESPN Insider: Small trades, big impact - Jose Calderon for Devin Harris

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    Quote knickz wrote: View Post
    so bash the guy who did
    right call at the right time. things change and so do franchises. what was good 5 years ago is not so good for us now.

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    Quote knickz wrote: View Post
    typical clown who actually believes nash wants to suit up for the raptors ***
    typical off handed remark for nothing to say.

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    I think Raps fans like the idea of getting a pick back, not Devin Harris. To be clear: I don't want to trade Jose at all, but this is a much better deal than getting nothing but a late 1st rounder from the Lakers.
    i am all for harris if we also get one of utahs' picks. harris is just another near 10 million expiring contract next year giving us a bunch of options after we see how the teams' makeup looks next year. either moving him at the deadline or letting him walk for more cash.

    grabbing a contract and a pick would be a great deal for jose in my opinion. who cares what happens this year and next year harris can just as easily come off the bench like borbosa.

    i also think that a good trade for jose means we probably wont be using our amnesty at all.

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    Quote Miekenstien wrote: View Post
    i want jose either traded for very good prospects or to free up space for nash this summer. is it wrong to assume that nash is better then jose?

    i think that jose isn't part of the "core" so is therefor expendable to improve it. i have also stated that trading jose for the sake of change isn't a good idea because he will be great in the pick and roll.

    hypothetically if he were to play here next year we would either trade him at the deadline as a 10 million expiring or hold him into the summer. if he were to complete the year and play as good as this year at 31 he might get another 4 or 5 year UFA offer near his current salary. that is something we cant afford.

    it isn't that we think jose is the root of problems, i think he deserves a chance to play for something. it wont be here for the next couple years.
    How old was Nash when he started to take over the league...30.. If he did it why can`t we assume the Jose could too. Isn`t he kinda starting that trend before our eyes...we don`t want to admit that what Jose is doing is legit or that he could be a late bloomer. Do not trade Jose for Nash. Not at this stage of Nash`s career.

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    How soon people forget Calderon asking to be traded to a contender.
    There's nothing to forget - never happened. Show the link to where Jose asks to be traded.
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    Quote Raptorboy wrote: View Post
    How old was Nash when he started to take over the league...30.. If he did it why can`t we assume the Jose could too. Isn`t he kinda starting that trend before our eyes...we don`t want to admit that what Jose is doing is legit or that he could be a late bloomer. Do not trade Jose for Nash. Not at this stage of Nash`s career.
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...caldejo01.html

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../nashst01.html

    if you start when they were both 24 nash has always been the better player.

    i didn't say trade jose for nash i said trade jose if you are sure you can get nash or a really good pg prospect. i really don't think that jose has many superb years left. this year could be the year everything just happens to go right for him and we need to accept that. if he just keeps this up then all the better to him but his past history shows a player who goes through peaks and valleys. no reason that would all of a sudden change because he is older now.

    nash has an amazing workout schedule to cope with his bad back. and takes summers off. jose plays high intensity basketball all year long.

    remember 5 years ago how excited and happy we were that jose was looking like one of the best pgs in the league? that time has come back and we need to watch out because right after this time comes the calf injury and the down time and then the "why didn't we amnesty him" time.
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    If we could pull off a trade like this I would be thrilled. I've always been a fan of Devin Harris despite his struggles since joining the Jazz. Getting an additional unprotected pick from the Jazz would be icing on the cake. Going into a contract year next year i'm sure Devin will have lots to prove. He still has loads of talent and I think a change of scenery would suit him just fine. Sign me up!

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    If the pick is one of Utah's lottery picks I'd do it in a heartbeat. Too bad salary rules would have to apply.. I'd honestly take a bag of hotdogs if it means we don't have to pay Devin Harris for two more years.
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    How soon people forget Calderon asking to be traded to a contender.
    He did?

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    Quote tbihis wrote: View Post
    He did?
    I've yet to see that quote ... apparently sometimes people lie on the internet ... gasp
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    Quote Papa Burgundy wrote: View Post
    I've yet to see that quote ... apparently sometimes people lie on the internet ... gasp
    hahaha jab, ouch!

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    I know Jose's been a really nice guy and very loyal to the organization, but ive come to realize that at the end of the day, the NBA is less basketball/camaraderie now and more of a business, so if it nets the Raps a high pick in expense of Jose then i think they really need to do it.

    What im hoping for then later on is when Jose's contract expires, the Raps will offer him say 10mil for 5 years and he eventually retires as a Raptor and gets a job with the organization in player development or as a scout in europe.

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    Quote tbihis wrote: View Post
    hahaha jab, ouch!
    raptorsrepublic.com/.../showthread.php?...

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    Damn it. Cant link to it from my iPhone (I'm i-retarded) but we've talked about it already ad nauseum.

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    I don't think Calderon specifically asked to be traded. He was asked by some Spanish media (I think) about his feelings "IF" he was traded to a contender, and like any normal human being, Calderon said he would embrace it....or something along those lines. He didn't exactly pull a Dwight Howard.
    Last edited by Nilanka; Wed Feb 29th, 2012 at 11:29 AM.
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    I don't think Calderon specifically asked to be traded. He was asked me some Spanish media (I think) about his feelings "IF" he was traded to a contender, and like any normal human being, Calderon said he would embrace it....or something along those lines. He didn't exactly pull a Dwight Howard.
    Are NBA players "normal human beings"? :-)

    Yes I remember that thread. JC seems to always answer forthrightly. He could (like many others) have said something droll like "It's not my decision" yada yada

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    Quote tbihis wrote: View Post
    What im hoping for then later on is when Jose's contract expires, the Raps will offer him say 10mil for 5 years and he eventually retires as a Raptor and gets a job with the organization in player development or as a scout in europe.
    He's overpaid now and you want to give him the same money 2 years from now?
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    Quote ebrian wrote: View Post
    He's overpaid now and you want to give him the same money 2 years from now?
    I think maybe he was suggesting $2M/per for 5. Which I think is too low, but I agree with the principle. If Toronto could have Calderon starting next year and possibly the following year, while grooming a younger point, and if he'd sign for MLE-type money over a 3-year contract, I would be all for that.
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    How soon people forget Calderon asking to be traded to a contender.
    This is not factual. He said he would like to play on a contending team. Didn't mention it being a different team and that quote was a very small clip from a longer interview in Spanish and could have been taken completely out of context and translated poorly. He has never been the type to ask for anything but rather he has done whatever the team has asked of him without complaint. It doesn't seem likely that given that he has volunteered to be a bench player on two separate occasions for the good of the team that he all of a sudden would come out and demand a trade does it? Devin Harris is a terrible fit for the Raptors and I like Jose on the team and think he could have a role in the rebuild as a mentor/back up PG for a young developing guard. Also I haven't seen a thing on Myck all season and didn't think he was projected to go nearly as high as 11 or 12 more like late 20's or second round, does anyone have any info to the contrary?

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    Quote CT2010 wrote: View Post
    This is not factual. He said he would like to play on a contending team. Didn't mention it being a different team and that quote was a very small clip from a longer interview in Spanish and could have been taken completely out of context and translated poorly. He has never been the type to ask for anything but rather he has done whatever the team has asked of him without complaint. It doesn't seem likely that given that he has volunteered to be a bench player on two separate occasions for the good of the team that he all of a sudden would come out and demand a trade does it? Devin Harris is a terrible fit for the Raptors and I like Jose on the team and think he could have a role in the rebuild as a mentor/back up PG for a young developing guard. Also I haven't seen a thing on Myck all season and didn't think he was projected to go nearly as high as 11 or 12 more like late 20's or second round, does anyone have any info to the contrary?
    I think you nailed it all:

    - he didn't ask to be traded. Question asked was would he like to play for a contender - if he said no there would be a bigger problem.

    - Devin Harris straight up for Calderon is an awful deal.

    - Myck is definitely not a 11/12 pick. The lowest I saw him was around 15-17 and that was weeks ago at DraftExpress. They currently dropped him from the 2012 mock draft.

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