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    I'm not sure why some "posters" think it's wrong to make the playoffs next year... "we should be patient"

    I don't think it's right to assume that we go from a non-playoff team to a top 4 contender because we were in the top end of the lottery for 3 years in a row. The natural progression would be to go to the playoffs as a sixth, seventh or eighth seed and build on that. Climb up in the ranks over the next 3 years. As long as we are scouting well, we should be able to find contributing players at any draft spot. San Antonio does a great jobs of finding guys that work with their system.

    If we have 2 good prospect rookies (Jonas, 2012 rookie), and 4 core guys under the age of 24 (DeMar, Ed, Amir, JJ), and a borderline all-star (Andrea who is 26), then why not go out and get players like Batum (my preference), Chandler, or Lee to add to that core. If we make the playoffs we still have a young core, that is going grow and get better.

    I agree with not signing a player like Nash or Allen, I prefer to sign a player that will be in the league in 5 years when we are consistently contending.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    I agree that we have a decent shot at the playoffs next season (assuming most of this year's "key pieces" remain), but just how good can that team be? Are we talking about a team capable of winning 55+ games and one day being a title contender? Or are we talking about a 45 win team, with a ceiling as a 6th seed?

    I'm thinking the latter, which is why talent infusion is desperately needed. Otherwise, we'll see this team make the playoffs for 2-3 years as a 6-8 seed, get bounced in the 1st or 2nd round, and we'd be back here looking for talent infusion without any high draft picks to work with in 2015.

    It's not too early for us to be thinking about what this team needs to look like in 3-5 years.
    Partly agree. If this team makes the playoffs next season, ill be elated. But it shouldnt stop there and i dont think it will stop there. BC should continue building this team into a contender, and thats pretty much the goal of any GM anyways. Ive posted earlier that the offseason is crucial to the Raps because i believe this is their best shot to start being a contender. a highly touted rookie, a high draft pick and cap space, this is where it should start. each season they go deeper into the playoffs, the more FAs will want to come here and play. Its not about taxes, the weather, its about winning.

    The only part i dont agree with is the 3-5 years outlook. Starting next season, i would like the Raptors to be a contender in the next 2-3 years.

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    If we all agree the Raptors will be improved next season, then the 2012 draft will be the highest draft pick we have for the foreseeable future. We can't mess it up by winning extra games this year. Because we currently don't have the talent to eventually lead us to the conference finals.
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    Quote saints91 wrote: View Post
    I'm not sure why some "posters" think it's wrong to make the playoffs next year... "we should be patient"
    I don't think anyone is suggesting it's wrong to make the playoffs next year. But it's irresponsible if we do so at the expense of the future.

    You're right about the progression of a team. We'd have to squeak into the playoffs, and take our lumps for a year or 2 before we can realistically expect to take the next step as an elite team.

    But we need elite talent to take that step too....something we currently don't have. This summer seems like the most likely opportunity to obtain that elite talent.
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    I don't think anyone is suggesting it's wrong to make the playoffs next year. But it's irresponsible if we do so at the expense of the future.

    You're right about the progression of a team. We'd have to squeak into the playoffs, and take our lumps for a year or 2 before we can realistically expect to take the next step as an elite team.

    But we need elite talent to take that step too....something we currently don't have. This summer seems like the most likely opportunity to obtain that elite talent.
    I absolutely agree with you on this one.

    In response to saints91, I think those "posters" mean that barely making the playoffs next season should not be the team's end goal to get excited about. Instead, it should be a mandatory, bare minimum measure of building success, with a much loftier goal in mind for the following 2-5 seasons.

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    Substitue 5 for 8 and trade piece with "not the best we could have done in the draft".

    Explanation: If you ask me, the only game changer in the draft is Anthony Davis, then Barnes and Drummond are the next closest players to game changer, yet they're not quite there, but are noticeable better than the others who come after them.

    Then you have, in no particular order, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Jeremy Lamb, Bradley Beal, Jared Sullinger and Thomas Robinson who are not as good as the top three, but I would still consider them to be a win for the Raptors in the draft, just not as big of a win as Davis, Drummond or Barnes would be, as I think those three have the potential to be the star of our team, whereas MKG, Lamb, Beal, Sullinger and Robinson would all be decent second or third options, which is nothing to scoff at.

    So basically what I'm saying is you can write the draft off after the 8th pick, which is when you see a noticeable drop in talent, but even after that I wouldn't say trade the pick unless you get an established player who would come in and start for our team (ideally at SF or PG.

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    Quote saints91 wrote: View Post
    I think we will win 10 or 11 more games. There are 11 games left with teams that are below our record or around our record. I think if we count on winning all those games, which we won't, it should make up for the team that we upset. I think the Raptors end up 23-43 we will be drafting from 5-7.

    Games left:

    at Detriot ... Loss
    Bucks.... Loss
    at Cleveland... Won
    at Nets ... Loss
    at Memphis...Won
    at Bobcats ....Loss
    at NY...Lose
    Chicago...Lose
    NY...Lose
    at Bulls...Lose
    Orlando...Lose
    Denver....Lose
    Heat...Lose
    Wizards...Win
    Bobcats...Win
    atPhilly... Lose
    Cavs...Win
    at Thunder...lose
    at Indy...lose
    Philly...lose
    Boston...lose
    at Hawks...lose
    Hawks...lose
    at Heat...lose
    at Detroit...win
    at Bucks...win
    Nets...win
    Well I guess we lost two winnable games! I still think we end up with 11 more wins.
    Last edited by saints91; Sat Mar 17th, 2012 at 09:46 PM.

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