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    Default Draft, Free Agency or Trades - Which is the best way to go for the Raps?

    I've read a lot of posts pointing out the draft as the best way to get talent for this semi-rebuilding Raptors team.

    Some say free agents are the best option, while other say trades.

    What do you think?

    Considering they have cap space and assets to dangle, what would be the best route for the Raptors to improve this team drastically?

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    Default Good draft and good FA signing are the keys to success.

    I'd say the best way to improve our team is by the draft and by free agency. Keep the core of this team, it seems pretty solid. Calderon, DeRozan, James Johnson, Kleiza, Bargnani and Gray should all absolutely be back with the team next year, + one of Amir and Ed (or both, but let's not start this eternal debate). By drafting a big time player and signing 1 or 2 impact free agents, it's going to be alright for years to come. Don't forget that Valanciunas is coming from Europe this summer, too.

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    The draft is the easiest/most efficient way since you don't need to give up assets, or pay through the roof to acquire.

    And since we're not currently a winning organization, free agents aren't knocking down the door to play in Toronto, which means overspending to acquire.

    As for trades, you have to give up quality to get quality, so unless we're willing to trade Calderon (for example), we shouldn't be expecting any significant improvements via trades.
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    I don't mean to give a cop-out answer, but it's hard to guage without knowing what trade offers are out there. I think all are viable options, as long as they keep improving the core group of players who will (ideally) be together for the next 5-10 seasons, buiding a sustainable winning identity for the franchise.

    If we look at just heading into next season:
    - TRADE a veteran or two from a position of depth (ie: Barbosa, Calderon/Bayless, Amir/Davis) to get another lottery pick or two
    - DRAFT 2 lottery picks and possibly another late 1st round pick, to add to the core next season along with Valanciunas
    - SIGN a quality veteran free agent or two, who can lead by example, be a great off court presence for the young players and still actually contribute on the court (a guy like Nash or Allen, to be the Oakley/Dell Curry type player the Raps young team needs)

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    Default Cap Space

    I think the draft is pretty much the best way to go for the Raps. At least that's the way it has been in the past. Cap space shouldn't be underrated though.

    Free agency is just not BC's strong point. What the Raps need to do is get enough space that they can trade for a positional player with a bad contract, but at least one NBA starting calibre skillset, along with a young player with potential.

    Think the potential deal for Collison and Okafor that was available a few years ago. Having one bad contract on the books isn't the end of the world if that player can at least provide a skill and nets you another, cheaper, starter.

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    I guess i forgot to add something to my initial post, which is, which would you rather have the Raptors give up?

    would you rather trade an asset to get a high pick? OR
    would you trade a high pick to get a solid player? OR
    would you trade assets to get expirings to put yourself in a position to sign a solid FA?

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    The draft is not the easiest way, it may be the cheapest way, but you are not guaranteed the talent that you thought you were going to get. The Clippers constantly were a lottery team, and that didn't get them any further. Most of that is bad management, but I think you can only rely on the draft so much.



    I would say its a combination of the three. At this point if we are adding two to three rookies next season (maybe more if we get another 1st rounder), and we have an already young core of DeMar, Ed, Amir, and JJ. I think it's time to add some experience and proven players through free agency. We get savings from our rookie contracts to make a splash for a good player (Batum, Courtney Lee). We could use our mid level exception for a back-up point guard.

    If Raptor Management knows of any players they don't see in our future plans and they can get value back I think we should make the move. Example: If Barbosa can get a first rounder I think we should go for it. If Bayless can get us a prospect at another position, I think we should cash in. We don't need to make a big trade (ie Calderon, Bargs).

    This team has the ability to make the playoffs next year with the right moves.

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    Quote saints91 wrote: View Post
    This team has the ability to make the playoffs next year with the right moves.
    But what is the goal here? Do we want to make the playoffs next year, or do we want to contend for a title in three?

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    Quote Gorlitzer wrote: View Post
    But what is the goal here? Do we want to make the playoffs next year, or do we want to contend for a title in three?

    I think those right moves that lead the Raptors to the playoffs next year could help them contend for a title in three.

    I wasn't asked but contending for a title in three years would be my preference over making the playoffs next year.

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    I like charlesnba23 suggestion:

    1 good draft pick
    1 good free agent signing (I mean really good)

    I would add:

    1 re-signing (Gray)

    and this team is suddenly something to publicly declare your love for.

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    Agreed.

    What would you guys consider a really good signing though?

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    Agreed.

    What would you guys consider a really good signing though?
    Batum

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    Gordon?

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    Gordon?
    If he could stay healthy, sure. But, in my opinion, he is a HUUUUUGE risk.

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    He's a risk, but I wouldn't say a huge risk. Keep in mind he played for the clips who's players are always getting injured it seems. Current team is having a tank-off with 9 other teams. Is Bargs a health risk too?

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    Quote Gorlitzer wrote: View Post
    But what is the goal here? Do we want to make the playoffs next year, or do we want to contend for a title in three?
    I was hoping to make the playoffs next year and build on that. I agree, contending is the overall goal. I think the raptors are heading that direction. With Jonas, and this years pick we should contending team in a couple years. We are not that far off from being in the playoffs this year. Add a couple pieces over the summer, a full training camp and a normal season, and I think we are there. As our 2012 rookies improve so shall we. Contend in 3 years, just as Matt has said.

    I don't think being in the lottery in 2013 will change this team all that much. The only thing that will be eluding us after this draft is our PG of the future.

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    He's a risk, but I wouldn't say a huge risk. Keep in mind he played for the clips who's players are always getting injured it seems. Current team is having a tank-off with 9 other teams. Is Bargs a health risk too?

    2008-09: 78 games played
    2009-10: 62
    2010-11: 58
    2011-12: 2

    That is not a healthy or assuring trend.


    I also don't think New Orleans is purposely sitting him out. He sat out for weeks doing rehab and rest only to have a scope done a few weeks ago which appears might conclude the rest of this season.


    I'm not sure if the fact he has had a vast array of injuries versus one chronic injury is a good or bad thing. Since his rookie year he has missed time for groin, hamstring, toe, left shoulder (twice), right leg, wrist, and now knee. Click here for injury list.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Batum
    this is looking more and more like it could have been a fantastic signing but also like portland is clearing house to keep their younger players.

    i think their entire team except for batum and wallace are up for grabs this deadline or draft.

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    am i allowed to say all 3?

    i would (and i think all teams would) like to get to a san antonio like situation where they only ever draft for need. always take the best player available for the position they want filled. then bring them in slowly until they are ready. a real basketball program.

    but to get there you need sustained success and the best way after this year will be to compliment our core through trades or free agency.

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    Like Miekenstein - I'm in for all of the above.

    Draft
    • Raptors have the "No. 2 pick" ready to board - relative to Anthony Davis (JV was rated as such, as if he was part of the 2012 draft - can't remember which media site gave this opinion ... possibly ESPN ??). I realize this is not a true 2012 draft pick, but for all intents purposes JV will be a rookie, as much as our real draft pick will be.
    • Toronto will have a pick that could range from 1st overall (with luck) to 12th overall (with less luck)
    • Raptors could snag a second 1st Round pick, should BC move Barbie to a Contender. Such a pick would give BC the opportunity to make a gamble-type pick.



    Free Agency
    • Raptors have some holes to fill, that might entice a free agent who sees the potential for this team - especially with Casey at the helm.
    • A Point Guard would be one such position. With (expected) sufficient cap space, Toronto will have greater leverage amongst the league, a leverage that would be reinforced by the revised CBA and it's upcoming Luxury tax enhancements.



    Trades
    • Assuming players like Davis, Kleiza, Amir & JJ continue to flourish, BC's inventory of trade chips would only improve. The more players that excel under Casey, the greater BC's odds become, and the greater the return becomes.
    • As much as some fans cry for us to tank, the upside to winning (and a reduced draft pick), is that these trade chips will have demonstrated greater value - as opposed to random potential.


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