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    Default Who do you realistically see as the Point Guard of the future?

    This is not a 'trade Jose' or 'keep Jose' thread - remember that.

    The fact is Bryan Colangelo has said on numerous occasions this year that a focus of his is, one way or another, acquiring a point guard of the future.

    Like it or not, that would strongly imply the point guard of the future is NOT Jose Calderon considering he is already under contract.

    So if Jose is not the point guard of the future, who would you REALISTICALLY like to see?


    Some ideas to get you thinking:

    Trade? Jennings? Bledsoe?

    Free agency? Augustin? Felton?

    Draft? Lillard? Marshall? Kabongo? Teague?

    Other thoughts?

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    That's just it, I don't see any true PG-of-the-future available right now.

    Draft - I'm not convinced any of the PG in this year's draft are future all stars

    Free Agency - the stud PGs won't sign in Toronto, several of the flashiest names are more combo type score-first PGs and other pass-first PGs are a lateral move from Calderon at best

    Trade - hard to say who's really available and what it would take to get them

    That's why I think either Calderon or Nash would be ideal to have running the team for the next 1-3 years, while the team looks for the PG-OTF. I'm curious, does anybody know what PG are potentially on the horizon for the 2013 draft? Will it be a stronger PG draft than the upcoming 2012 draft? And also, it would be interesting to scan a free agency list for the next two years as well, to see who might be available over the next couple offseasons.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    That's just it, I don't see any true PG-of-the-future available right now.

    Draft - I'm not convinced any of the PG in this year's draft are future all stars

    Free Agency - the stud PGs won't sign in Toronto, several of the flashiest names are more combo type score-first PGs and other pass-first PGs are a lateral move from Calderon at best

    Trade - hard to say who's really available and what it would take to get them

    That's why I think either Calderon or Nash would be ideal to have running the team for the next 1-3 years, while the team looks for the PG-OTF. I'm curious, does anybody know what PG are potentially on the horizon for the 2013 draft? Will it be a stronger PG draft than the upcoming 2012 draft? And also, it would be interesting to scan a free agency list for the next two years as well, to see who might be available over the next couple offseasons.
    when are you ever convinced that someone whos never played a game in the nba is going to be a future all star?

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    Quote LBF wrote: View Post
    when are you ever convinced that someone whos never played a game in the nba is going to be a future all star?
    When his name is Harrison Barnes. Boom. haha



    Who would I like to see as the Future Point Guard leading our Playoff bound team?
    I'd like to see Kabongo; however, right now I'm not totally convinced he's even a few years away from contributing, let alone ever truly developing into the player we all hope/envision him becoming.
    But I've been totally stoked about this guy for the past 2 years, and I can't waste all that time now doubting him.
    So I'll stand by him.

    Or Kendall Marshall. I have the biggest crush on this guy, its ridiculous.

    That being said, I think keeping Jose around until its the 'future' and there is a legit replacement at the Starting spot, is a good idea.
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    Default No love for Bayless.

    I don't know why their is no love for bayless on these forums. Everyone is a Bayless hater when all the guy does is average 20+ pts a game when he starts. People say that he doesn't pass enough but his assist numbers are probably average for a PG when he starts. He is a better ball stopper than Jose, and he is more physical. He could explode for 40+ pts in a game one day, and he is still improving.

    I would rather continue developing him then spend another 3 years developing a rookie, or trading for a slightly above average PG like the ones that are out there.

    A healthy Jerryd Bayless can be a huge asset for this team, if he gets like 30+ min. a game you better believe he will average 18-20 pts a game and around 5-7 assists with good defense.

    P.S I love Jose too, but im not impressed with the rookie hype or the free agents available, I like our PG's.

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    Quote SuperRaptor wrote: View Post
    I don't know why their is no love for bayless on these forums. Everyone is a Bayless hater when all the guy does is average 20+ pts a game when he starts. People say that he doesn't pass enough but his assist numbers are probably average for a PG when he starts. He is a better ball stopper than Jose, and he is more physical. He could explode for 40+ pts in a game one day, and he is still improving.

    I would rather continue developing him then spend another 3 years developing a rookie, or trading for a slightly above average PG like the ones that are out there.

    A healthy Jerryd Bayless can be a huge asset for this team, if he gets like 30+ min. a game you better believe he will average 18-20 pts a game and around 5-7 assists with good defense.

    P.S I love Jose too, but im not impressed with the rookie hype or the free agents available, I like our PG's.
    he also continuously runs head first into the paint with no plan to pass and passes as a last ditch effort. i like his game and want him in our plans but not as a point guard we need to rely on. you need to be reliable for that.

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    Default What's future

    When you say ''PG of the Future''... What does future means? 2 years? 5 years? IMO, Calderon is the starting PG of the future for at least this year and next. Before then, I don't see why we should talk about a new PG.

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    Default Point Guard

    You need two in this league and they both need to understand the coaching guys' system very well BUT each needs to have their own strengths as to how the system is applied to game situations. Jose should stay and the dude from Houston who drove Bayless wild last night could be the other one - Drajic?

    BUT you need two for a playoff run in the NBA.

    PS - Retire Jose as a Raptor. It's time to show some class in Toronto - the league is watching....

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    Quote LBF wrote: View Post
    when are you ever convinced that someone whos never played a game in the nba is going to be a future all star?
    As much as i hate the guy, only Lebron James was the clear cut all star whos been ever been drafted, IMO.

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    Quote tbihis wrote: View Post
    As much as i hate the guy, only Lebron James was the clear cut all star whos been ever been drafted, IMO.
    I don't recall Shaq or Duncan really "surprising" anyone during their rookie years either. They were pretty much penciled in as all-stars from the start.
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    I don't recall Shaq or Duncan really "surprising" anyone during their rookie years either. They were pretty much penciled in as all-stars from the start.
    Oh thats right.
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    I'd also like to add that stats can be even more deceptive in European leagues. Games are shorter, coaches might screw around with rotations a lot depending on the game and which league it's in. There is less opportunity for one guy to score 30 points a night but many teams have lots of guys who might be threats in different ways. I'm not saying they don't tell you anything, but as an NBA fan who's been watching more European ball this year (also caught a couple of Jonas' games), I find the stats are even less helpful than in the NBA in trying to determine a player's impact.

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    Quote tbihis wrote: View Post
    As much as i hate the guy, only Lebron James was the clear cut all star whos been ever been drafted, IMO.
    I'm obviously older than you so I'll help you add to that list Bird, Magic, Kareem, Oscar, Wilt, and Bill Russell.
    Last edited by stretch; Fri Mar 9th, 2012 at 05:45 PM.

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    Ya, I like some of the guys in this years draft as well. I hope we can get another pick.

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    Here is a thought I had today: Nick Calathes. I read his name in a chat on HoopsWorld.com and I realized I had totally forgot about him (by the way, Dallas owns his draft rights).

    For those of you who don't know who he is, he played for the Florida Gators his freshman and sophomore years in '07/08 and '08/09. He used his Greece family background and, with his Greek passport, gave up his junior and senior years at Florida to go professional in Greece. More background here.

    DraftExpress.com profile

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    He is just turned 23 in February. He is 6'6". DraftExpress lists his best case as Jose Calderon and his worst case as Sarunas Jasikevicius - not bad company. For those Euro-phobes around here, he put up stellar stats at Florida - equal to or better than Deron Williams in my opinion (Williams had a clear advantage in assist to turnover but that is it). He has played the last 3 years at the highest level of competition outside of the NBA - and arguably the most intense basketball in the world. His stats aren't that eye catching from the last few years in Europe but, as Ricky Rubio showed, stats in Europe can be misleading - especially for a PG - due to the style of and approach to the game.

    From DraftExpress.com:

    What makes Calathes so effective is in his ability to control the pace of a game. He can play an up-tempo style or run an offense in the half-court and in either fashion he seems to make good decisions. He makes great passes at the right times and to go along with his 6.5 assists a game he makes countless passes that lead to assists - contributing to the team's ball movement.

    Calathes' passing ability is far and beyond his greatest skill. He sees the court unlike any other player in the country relative to his size and repeatedly makes difficult passes with either hand, creating easy shots for his teammates. At 6-5, he has great size and therefore can see over the defense - making passes that most point guards in college cannot. His great strength is also a weakness however, as he can get into trouble, attempting unreasonably difficult passes at times, which is why he's averaging 3.3 turnovers a game, which is 20th worst in the country.

    From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz1oZJcdBUK
    http://www.draftexpress.com


    If Deron Williams ends up in Dallas, I'd be making the call to Donnie Nelson. Actually, I'd be making the call anyways.

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    Career: .Lake Howell High School (Winter Park, Florida-USA), University of Florida (USA-NCAA 2007-09), Panathinaikos (Greece-ESAKE, 2009-2011)

    Nick Calathes is slowly but surely beginning to realise all of the potential he showed during his college career when he was a marquee player for the Florida Gators. He is learning at a rapid rate and with each passing month and tournament, he continues to have more of an impact. He made his National Team debut two years ago at EuroBasket 2009 in Poland and since that time has not only played well at the FIBA World Championship but also played a big part in helping Panathinaikos lift the Euroleague title earlier this year. In fact, he was the key player of the weekend and shined most in the semi-final. This is further evidence that he does have the temperament and ability to be a big game player at the elite level. Defensively he is excellent and while offensively he needs to work on his perimeter game, he is still only 22-years-old with time to continue evolving and eventually become a leader in years to come.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Here is a thought I had today: Nick Calathes. I read his name in a chat on HoopsWorld.com and I realized I had totally forgot about him (by the way, Dallas owns his draft rights).

    For those of you who don't know who he is, he played for the Florida Gators his freshman and sophomore years in '07/08 and '08/09. He used his Greece family background to gain Greek citizenship and gave up his junior and senior years at Florida to go professional in Greece.





    DraftExpress.com profile

    All stats (NCAA, Europe) via Draft Express.com

    He is just turned 23 in February. He is 6'6". DraftExpress lists his best case as Jose Calderon and his worst case as Sarunas Jasikevicius - not bad company. For those Euro-phobes around here, he put up stellar stats at Florida - equal to or better than Deron Williams in my opinion (Williams had a clear advantage in assist to turnover but that is it). He has played the last 3 years at the highest level of competition outside of the NBA - and arguably the most intense basketball in the world. His stats aren't that eye catching from the last few years in Europe but, as Ricky Rubio showed, stats in Europe can be misleading - especially for a PG - due to the style of and approach to the game.

    From DraftExpress.com:





    If Deron Williams ends up in Dallas, I'd be making the call to Donnie Nelson. Actually, I'd be making the call anyways.

    Added: EuroBasket 2011 profile:

    Hopefully our European scouts have their eyes on this kid! Sounds good to me!

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Here is a thought I had today: Nick Calathes. I read his name in a chat on HoopsWorld.com and I realized I had totally forgot about him (by the way, Dallas owns his draft rights).

    For those of you who don't know who he is, he played for the Florida Gators his freshman and sophomore years in '07/08 and '08/09. He used his Greece family background and, with his Greek passport, gave up his junior and senior years at Florida to go professional in Greece.
    Sounds very interesting. Could get him on a rookie contract I assume. Best suggestion I've seen. Been playing professionally and doing extremely well according to the story. Immediately more interesting then any of the unrealistic trade scenarios that I have seen suggested.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Here is a thought I had today: Nick Calathes.
    DraftExpress lists his best case as Jose Calderon and his worst case as Sarunas Jasikevicius - not bad company.
    Not to insult your idea at all, because he does sound intriguing.. But on a team that already has Jose Calderon under contract playing arguably the best in this league he has ever played, why would we shift our focus to a point guard who, best case scenario, eventually develops into the guy we already have?
    The thing with our point guard now is that, worst case scenario, he's still Jose Calderon.

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    Quote RaptorFan (proud?..) wrote: View Post
    Not to insult your idea at all, because he does sound intriguing.. But on a team that already has Jose Calderon under contract playing arguably the best in this league he has ever played, why would we shift our focus to a point guard who, best case scenario, eventually develops into the guy we already have?
    The thing with our point guard now is that, worst case scenario, he's still Jose Calderon.
    He is 23 and 6'6".

    From what I've read his defense is also better.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    He is 23 and 6'6".

    From what I've read his defense is also better.
    I like his game and have watched some of his games from Europe. I am always a little leery of 6'6" PG's in the NBA, it is the very rare one that truly works out. That being said, I would not mind him on the roster to see what he has.

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