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    Default Lin to the Raptors a good idea? Lin Raptors Plan B? (168)

    Carmelo goes down. Jeremy emerges out of nowhere and propels the Knicks to .500. He shows that he can be a quality, balanced pg in the NBA, especially with some good coaching and development.

    Anthony comes back, no chemistry with Lin; doesn't want to share the spotlight; doesn't want D'Antoni's ball sharing system...D'Antoni quits.

    Now, it seems obvious that there's no cohesion between Lin and Anthony, both stylewise and in terms of vision. It's obvious there's no room for both.

    The question is, should Toronto look at acquiring Lin.? If so, how could we make that happen?

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    Quote Pele wrote: View Post
    Carmelo goes down. Jeremy emerges out of nowhere and propels the Knicks to .500. He shows that he can be a quality, balanced pg in the NBA, especially with some good coaching and development.

    Anthony comes back, no chemistry with Lin; doesn't want to share the spotlight; doesn't want D'Antoni's ball sharing system...D'Antoni quits.

    Now, it seems obvious that there's no cohesion between Lin and Anthony, both stylewise and in terms of vision. It's obvious there's no room for both.

    The question is, should Toronto look at acquiring Lin.? If so, how could we make that happen?
    Free agency.

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    It's a gigantic mistake. He doesn't protect the ball, he's not that fast and he has no proven track record. Are Raptors fans going to enjoy 5 or 6 turnovers per game? Are they going to enjoy watching a fast break PG try and break guys down in a half court setting? ... Jose Calderon is a better defender. The recipe to me tastes like crap.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    It's a gigantic mistake. He doesn't protect the ball, he's not that fast and he has no proven track record. Are Raptors fans going to enjoy 5 or 6 turnovers per game? Are they going to enjoy watching a fast break PG try and break guys down in a half court setting? Jose Calderon is a better defender. The recipe to me tastes like crap.
    Oh yeah, I should have answered the first question in original post:

    "... should Toronto look at acquiring Lin?"

    To start? Definitely not.
    To backup? Maybe but I would imagine his asking price is now overly inflated.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    To start? Definitely not.
    To backup? Maybe but I would imagine his asking price is now overly inflated.
    I was assuming both these were givens but I should have mentioned them in my post. A good article I posted on the NBA board:

    http://raptorsrepublic.com/forums/sh...867#post118867

    See post #76.

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    If Lin was a black guy named DeShawn and had the exact same skill/talent as Lin, would it be a good idea? There's your answer.

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    Quote Arsenalist wrote: View Post
    If Lin was a black guy named DeShawn and had the exact same skill/talent as Lin, would it be a good idea? There's your answer.
    this to be honest

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    It's a gigantic mistake. He doesn't protect the ball, he's not that fast and he has no proven track record. Are Raptors fans going to enjoy 5 or 6 turnovers per game? Are they going to enjoy watching a fast break PG try and break guys down in a half court setting? ... Jose Calderon is a better defender. The recipe to me tastes like crap.
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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    It's a gigantic mistake. He doesn't protect the ball, he's not that fast and he has no proven track record. Are Raptors fans going to enjoy 5 or 6 turnovers per game? Are they going to enjoy watching a fast break PG try and break guys down in a half court setting? ... Jose Calderon is a better defender. The recipe to me tastes like crap.
    +1

    Excellent observations

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    Quote sleepz wrote: View Post
    +1

    Excellent observations
    +1 again..plus jose is a better shooter hands down.

    But let's forget the rational reasons why we shouldn't do it (and the reasons are endless). For some reason, I knew we would be talking about this the day he started playing well. The only reason why anyone cared about him was because he was doing this in New York. I cannot remember the last time I have seen something more overhyped

    Does anyone not remember when Joey Graham put together a great stretch for 15 games that propelled us into the playoffs a while back? No one gave a sh*t even though sucked for most of his career (and still does).

    Its the same thing as the Willis Reed story. We hear that all the time, even though Kevin McHale played some games on a broken foot for the Celtics. New York controls more of the media than anyone else, and that is why people think what Jeremy Lin did was a big deal. But if someone spent the time I am positive that you could find dozens of players who have played well for 7 games in a row.

    Let's stop with this BS and try to win some basketball games

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    Quote BallaBalla wrote: View Post
    +1 again..plus jose is a better shooter hands down.

    But let's forget the rational reasons why we shouldn't do it (and the reasons are endless). For some reason, I knew we would be talking about this the day he started playing well. The only reason why anyone cared about him was because he was doing this in New York. I cannot remember the last time I have seen something more overhyped

    Does anyone not remember when Joey Graham put together a great stretch for 15 games that propelled us into the playoffs a while back? No one gave a sh*t even though sucked for most of his career (and still does).

    Its the same thing as the Willis Reed story. We hear that all the time, even though Kevin McHale played some games on a broken foot for the Celtics. New York controls more of the media than anyone else, and that is why people think what Jeremy Lin did was a big deal. But if someone spent the time I am positive that you could find dozens of players who have played well for 7 games in a row.

    Let's stop with this BS and try to win some basketball games
    I don't agree with the Joey Graham comparisons. Yes, Graham did put together a good stretch of games for us, but he didn't single-handedly win games for a team that had trouble winning games without him. Big difference.

    IMO, Lin's 2 week stretch of play was more important/noteworthy than Bargnani's 13-game stretch, because the Knicks were actually winning games.

    Lin definitely has holes in his game, but he's still young, and has the basketball IQ (as well as academic IQ, lol) to figure things out. I'm not necessarily advocating overpaying for his services in Toronto, but I'm simply speaking against the notion that his 15 minutes of fame is up. He's going to be a good PG in this league, provided that he's treated like a project.
    Last edited by Nilanka; Tue May 15th, 2012 at 03:38 PM.
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    I don't agree with the Joey Graham comparisons. Yes, Graham did put together a good stretch of games for us, but he didn't single-handedly win games for a team that had trouble winning games without him. Big difference.

    IMO, Lin's 2 week stretch of play was more important/noteworthy than Bargnani's 13-game stretch, because the Knicks were actually winning games.

    Lin definitely has holes in his game, but he's still young, and has the basketball IQ (as well as academic IQ, lol) to figure things out. I'm not necessarily advocating overpaying for his services in Toronto, but I'm simply speaking against the notion that his 15 minutes of fame is up. He's going to be a good PG in this league, provided that he's treated like a project.
    But as I've pointed out, Bayless actually proved a more effective play maker than Lin.
    Not to mention, Bayless had a GREAT stretch of games this season as Starting PG; games which we won a handful of, if I'm not mistaken.
    He's going to be a good PG in this league, provided he's treated like a project.
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    Quote Arsenalist wrote: View Post
    If Lin was a black guy named DeShawn and had the exact same skill/talent as Lin, would it be a good idea? There's your answer.
    Not sure how race comes into this. He has Rafer Alston disappointment and stupid contract written all over him... And at least with Skip he was proven to be able to ball in multiple systems. Lin has only done it for a short time in a system known for inflating PG stats. The rest of the season will tell a lot now that MDA is out. Game one saw Lin drop 6 turnovers in 22 minutes.

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    he averaged 8 assists and 5 turnovers in Feb., in March he is averaging 7assists and 4 turnovers. Are we playing a system them would accentuate his skills? Based on his track record, I'd rather wait till the end of the season to see a larger sample size.

    The key thing about feb is that he was winning. That's what counts. I would definitely say he is good enough to play on the Raptors, but I don;t know in what capacity yet.

    Arsenalist, that was a bit of ass move to big race into it. Those kind of accusations shouldn't be passed around lightly. I expected more from someone who is a main contributor to this site.

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    Quote saints91 wrote: View Post
    Arsenalist, that was a bit of ass move to big race into it. Those kind of accusations shouldn't be passed around lightly. I expected more from someone who is a main contributor to this site.
    Yea, I was shocked by the comment he made. Wow. Either Floyd Mayweather hacked into Arsenalist's account, or man, wow. That's so wrong and inappropriate.
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    Quote ebrian wrote: View Post
    Yea, I was shocked by the comment he made. Wow. Either Floyd Mayweather hacked into Arsenalist's account, or man, wow. That's so wrong and inappropriate.
    That is not inappropriate : bottom line is Lin is the starting PG of a sub .500 team, averaging 14.7 pts and 6.3 assists and not ranked any higher than #24 in any individual stat category. If you take this into account, you can claim that he's a younger but less versatile version of Rodney Stuckey (I'm not comparing game style, I'm comparing talent).

    Would Stuckey have had a sneaker designed for him in 2 weeks ? Would Rookie game rules have been changed to make room for Stuckey ? How many Stuckey articles have you read in your life ? And how many have you seen your friends sharing on Facebook ?

    Lin deserves credit for helping the Knicks win several games in a row and winning that starter spot, no doubt about it. But THAT much credit ? To quote what Arse was saying and rephrase it, can you honestly claim that any player would have got that much coverage ? It is not about race as physical disparity, it is about being the only asian-american in the NBA : you have more chance to get noticed, especially in Asia where potential customers are counted in billions...

    Lin is good, but he's not worth $[insert the number of millions he'll get on his next contract, whatever it is]M.

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    Quote Fanchie wrote: View Post
    Lin is good, but he's not worth $[insert the number of millions he'll get on his next contract, whatever it is]M.
    I agree with this but the off the court stuff is irrelevant. GM's aren't going to care about gate numbers or endorsements, they're going to care about the on court product because in the end that will lead to consistent gate numbers and sponsorships as opposed to playing out gimmicky stuff. My fear was a guy like Colangelo gets duped by stats skewed due to the "D'Antoni Effect". That won't be the case now that he'll have to play under Mike Woodson the rest of the way in a traditional system which I feel will expose the player he really is, the player all those teams cut. That conclusion is logical when you consider the teams who cut him and compare their coaches to Woodson and to D'Antoni. They match up to Woodson, not D'Anotoni. All that said, somebody is going to look at the hot streak with MDA and they're going to give out a contract which is too much.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    I agree with this but the off the court stuff is irrelevant. GM's aren't going to care about gate numbers or endorsements, they're going to care about the on court product because in the end that will lead to consistent gate numbers and sponsorships as opposed to playing out gimmicky stuff. My fear was a guy like Colangelo gets duped by stats skewed due to the "D'Antoni Effect". That won't be the case now that he'll have to play under Mike Woodson the rest of the way in a traditional system which I feel will expose the player he really is, the player all those teams cut. That conclusion is logical when you consider the teams who cut him and compare their coaches to Woodson and to D'Antoni. They match up to Woodson, not D'Anotoni. All that said, somebody is going to look at the hot streak with MDA and they're going to give out a contract which is too much.
    I think you under estimate the weight of China in this. I am ready to bet that Jeremy Lin will be a starter in the ASG next year, whatever his stats are. And the year after. And after. It took 2 games for Chinese TV channels to buy the rights on Knicks games and broadcast them to their 1.5 billion population. They are highly contaminated by the Lin fever over there, and even if he underperforms big time, it'll take a long time for them to stop being crazy about him.

    GM might not care, but owners do. At some point, when you can become the #1 franchise in China's heart, selling tons of jerseys, by slightly overpaying a guard, you tell your GM to do it. At the end of the day, it is a business.

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    Quote Fanchie wrote: View Post
    That is not inappropriate : bottom line is Lin is the starting PG of a sub .500 team, averaging 14.7 pts and 6.3 assists and not ranked any higher than #24 in any individual stat category. If you take this into account, you can claim that he's a younger but less versatile version of Rodney Stuckey (I'm not comparing game style, I'm comparing talent).
    His numbers before he began playing major minutes are moot. He's been averaging 20 and 8 since he began starting. That would place him in the top 5 for assists and top 15 for points.
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    Lin is a backup, not a starter. Can't run a pick n roll, streaky shooter, terrible defender, crazy TOs and you have to wonder about his success being a product of the "system" and he's terrible under pressure

    On the plus side he can get in the paint all day and is pretty crafty.

    Someone is going to crazy overpay for him and I pray it's not BCo
    He's one of the best defenders on the Knicks.
    Take a look at this:


    and this:

    http://youtu.be/qlkYuCcY-qk?t=3m49s

    Is it Lin's fault that Melo still isn't passing the ball or that STAT is 3 steps slower this year?

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    Quote Prime wrote: View Post
    His numbers before he began playing major minutes are moot. He's been averaging 20 and 8 since he began starting. That would place him in the top 5 for assists and top 15 for points.
    He's one of the best defenders on the Knicks.
    Take a look at this:


    and this:

    http://youtu.be/qlkYuCcY-qk?t=3m49s

    Is it Lin's fault that Melo still isn't passing the ball or that STAT is 3 steps slower this year?
    Why not include his turnover numbers since Starting as well?
    Pretty sure it would put him #1 in that Cat as well.

    Jeremy Lin in Toronto is a TERRIBLE idea.


    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Running the Pick 'n' Roll is something Lin actually does quite well.
    Unfortunately, giving the ball away to the other team is also something he does quite well.


    If people can't stand watching Bayless put up 11 shots in a night, while shooting over 50% from the field, they will DIE when they watch Lin jack up 18 shots a night and hit 35% of them.
    Last edited by Joey; Thu Mar 15th, 2012 at 02:52 PM.
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