If you do a good job with your two lottery picks, you won't be seeing the lottery again for years, and will be selecting in the 20's.WhatWhat wrote:
How important is the draft then? Compared to trades and coaching?
If you do a good job with your two lottery picks, you won't be seeing the lottery again for years, and will be selecting in the 20's.
How important is the draft then? Compared to trades and coaching?
markedly less so, because you've already drafted franchise talent
i mean the very first part of your post inherently acknowledges what a patently and objectively false statement doug's is, so i don't follow how you're arguing for it
Last edited by chris; Sun Mar 18th, 2012 at 05:00 PM.
There are 8 lottery picks every year. Most of those picks stay in the league for 5 - 6 years. So that's 40 - 48 lottery picks. How many turn out to be true franchise players? How many of those 48 aren't even starters 3 year later?
Never said it didn't hurt to have good position picking. But a lot of franchise players have been picked by good GM's selecting from spot number 9 on down. Personally I would rather have the management smarts working on the side of the team I am rooting for. Then you might wind up with a team the "franchise player" bolts to after his rookie contract is up.
Totally agree.
I think D. Smith's comment was taken slightly out of context. First of all, he said "building" a successful team, not "rebuilding" so i dont think he was necessarily referring to the Raps. Also, if you think of it in terms of a team on the fringe of being successful, then draft picks are a small part of such a team. If its a team like the Raps, then picks are a huge part of the building process. I do hope after this draft, we never ever get a lottery pick again.
And the question arises, if say the Raptors get lucky and land the #1 pick in this season's draft, and the Blazers offer Batum (im using him as an example since everybody here seems to love him) in exchange for the #1 pick, would you do it?
I think this is the perfect example of the argument, which is better, draft or trades
Two points:
1. The time between drafting a player and winning a title isn't overnight. Dallas got Dirk on a draft-day deal (or thereabouts), same with Kobe, and the Spurs had Duncan. Did they win a title immediately? No. Did they win it with the people they got on draft day? yes.
2. You're comparing apples and oranges. The teams you listed can all attract free-agents, the Raptors cannot. Hence, drafting is even more important for the Raptors than teams who can afford to play the FA market. It's not a surprise that the very light success this franchise has had was on the backs of drafted players - Vince Carter, T-Mac, and not free-agents - Hedo Turkoglu, Jermaine O'Neal, etc.
I think what Puffer is insinuating is once you get that franchise player, it doesnt make sense relying on the draft year after year to get talent. But i agree with Arse, the Raptors need this draft, heck, until they get a franchise player, they need to rely heavily on the draft.
Having said that, i would still trade that #1 pick if i was offered a franchise player in return.
OKC might disagree. Durant in '07, Westbrook in '08, and Harden in '09 - pick 1, 4, and 3 respectively.
I think we've gone through the OKC situation numerous times in the forum.
I maybe wrong, but those 3 draft picks probably cost Seattle their franchise.
The lack of a state-of-the-art arena cost Seattle their franchise. The success of Oklahoma City hosting the New Orleans Hornets after Katrina probably had an impact on that relocation as well.
Off the top of my head:
Shaq in Orlando. Next year they get #1 and trade Webber for Penney Hardaway who was #3.
Aldridge and Roy in Portland. Next year Oden #1. Didn't quite work out due to injury but, man, what if.
Kevin Love in Minnesota. Next year Rubio.
9 out 10 years of losing seasons werent able to get them the funding, i believe.
True...
Vince Carter was acquired via a trade; we drafted Antwan Jamison.
The Rubio pick was acquired by Minnesota via a trade with Washington for Mike Miller and Randy Foye.
Houston drafted Ralph Samson in 1983 and then redefined the word tank the following season to win a 50% chance at the privilege of drafting Hakeem Olajuwon.
I was always curious whether Houston would have been a better team than Chicago had Sampson not been injured.
Been an interesting discussion. I'm not personally convinced that Drafting is the most important element of a teams success, but it probably isn't the least important either.
What messes things up is when teams get good drafting position, and then their management team makes bad selections. Contrariwise, teams drafting in worst position often get excellent picks that were flying under the radar, or that are solid role players that every team wants five years down the road, making trades possible when the team is trying to fill holes in the roster.
True but they had their #6 pick, ironically another PG. Did anyone ever hear about that? lol
I agree it has been a good discussion.
I still definitely disagree with the draft being arguably the smallest part of building a successful team. A lot of things go in to building a successful team but I don't think the draft is the least of them. The draft gives struggling teams their best shot at young, talented players.
Matt, would you trade a #1 pick for an allstar/superstar?
Depends on the player. Age, position, need would all play a factor.
Also there is a big difference between allstar and superstar.
How solid the #1 is also plays a role - is he consensus? Or a year like 2006 with no clear #1.
I can only imagine what kind of amazing things we'll see next season from the raps
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