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Thread: Ed Davis' Future in Toronto (Tim Chisolm)

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    Quote koncept wrote: View Post
    How can we become like Cleveland of last year and use two top ten's to build around. Dont say JV - Call me greedy but I want to start next season with 3 rookies if we're counting him.
    It would have to involve Bargnani. The only scenario I see this as a possibility is if the Raps get the #1 pick and take Davis, then Bargs is expendable. Still, having three 19/20 year olds in the as a focus of the team may not be the best approach.

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    i say just keep gray
    Bingo..... that assumes he is not a doofus, doucebag, or doorknob in the locker room and off the court.

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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    I say bring back Reggie Evans
    I liked Reggie but PF is not the issue. A solid back up C is needed. Amir is not that guy despite his admirable efforts throughout the last 2 seasons.

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    I agree with the Taj Gibson role comment, Have Ed play a defence, rebounding, energy big off the bench (like amir used to be till his recent play) and trade amir. Amir is good, but everything Amir can do Ed can learn to do, and some. We need to support Ed more, I suggest you let him enjoy a full season and a training camp before truly judging him.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    The Raptors have so many assets to work with, whether it's ahead of the draft or during the free agency period prior to the season, I think this team will look seriously different come next season.

    - Barbosa TPE (pre-draft only)
    - Bayless (via S&T)
    - Amir or Davis (or both)
    - DeRozan (slightly less likely)
    - Calderon (slightly less likely)
    - 2 2nd round picks
    - 2013 1st round pick (if playoffs are goal of 2012-2013 season)

    I keep going back to the thought that DeRozan and either Amir/Davis could be traded together for an additional lottery pick. The Raptors could get MKG with one pick and use the other pick to take Beal to replace DeRozan.

    Or they keep DeRozan, but trade Davis (perhaps with both 2nd round picks) for a late lottery pick, to grab Marshall as the PG-of-the-future. Still hopeful of MKG with their own lottery pick in this case.

    It all comes down to dealing from positions of strength/depth to add players/picks to use to fill gaps in the roster.
    Also, don't forget the potential S&T of Sonny ... maybe nothing ... maybe something small ... but could be another asset, if he gets healthy.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Bingo..... that assumes he is not a doofus, doucebag, or doorknob in the locker room and off the court.
    Don't downplay dingbat either in all this Matt. It's overlooked far too often.

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    I liked Reggie but PF is not the issue. A solid back up C is needed. Amir is not that guy despite his admirable efforts throughout the last 2 seasons.
    If you listen to the guys in charge they've said they want to target a vet in the offseason who fits Reggie's description.

    I'd rather them go after Przybilla than go with Gray.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    In slightly unrelated news, how sweet would it have been if Paul George fell to us?
    Around draft time it seemed like that was a lot more likely than Ed Davis falling to us! It all went nuts when GSW took Ekpe.
    Now my view of Ed, is as a potential piece to bring us a mid 1st rounder to go after a PG.
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    Quote enlightenment wrote: View Post
    I agree with the Taj Gibson role comment, Have Ed play a defence, rebounding, energy big off the bench (like amir used to be till his recent play) and trade amir. Amir is good, but everything Amir can do Ed can learn to do, and some. We need to support Ed more, I suggest you let him enjoy a full season and a training camp before truly judging him.
    Although Ed scores slightly less, he is out rebounding Taj this year and puts up very similar numbers. One guy is playing for a winning team one on a losing team, other wise they are the same. Gibson just looks a little more energetic, but Ed has some of the Tracy McGrady in him, looks sleepy but still produces. I think Ed has value, will it come out with us or another team...who knows.

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    Would you guys deal him for a defensive wing like Aminu? Both are in the class of high potential not yet brought to fruition.

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    Can we get someone whom can produce more than Ed at the price we're paying him right now and for the next ..is it two years? He's played well as of late and looks to have accepted a role of being a defensive player. He should come back stronger and more skilled next season and could be a good back up at both PF and C postion. Injuries happen and I think we can all agree that he wasn't ready to step in this season while Gray was, but Gray has already reached his ceiling while Ed has barely begun. If there was a good reason to move him like to have more $$ for free agency or if you could get another good lottery pick then it should be considered, but you're not going to get anything great back for him right now so they should hold onto him and see how he develops...he's still on a rookie scale contract so it doesn't cost the team much having him around and there is a really good chance he breaks out next season if he gets stronger and has a full training camp with Casey. Perhaps I'm over valueing him, but I don't thinks so. As of late he seems to be playing harder.

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    Not Aminu, the guy is not as good as James Johnson, and may be even less of an offensive threat. While is is 3 years younger, I don't see it as any great upgrade that could put us over any type of hump.

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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    Can we get someone whom can produce more than Ed at the price we're paying him right now and for the next ..is it two years? He's played well as of late and looks to have accepted a role of being a defensive player. He should come back stronger and more skilled next season and could be a good back up at both PF and C postion. Injuries happen and I think we can all agree that he wasn't ready to step in this season while Gray was, but Gray has already reached his ceiling while Ed has barely begun. If there was a good reason to move him like to have more $$ for free agency or if you could get another good lottery pick then it should be considered, but you're not going to get anything great back for him right now so they should hold onto him and see how he develops...he's still on a rookie scale contract so it doesn't cost the team much having him around and there is a really good chance he breaks out next season if he gets stronger and has a full training camp with Casey. Perhaps I'm over valueing him, but I don't thinks so. As of late he seems to be playing harder.
    Good point. And remember, all bigs take 5 years to develop.

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    Quote WJF wrote: View Post
    I don't see it as any great upgrade that could put us over any type of hump.
    You think they can get that from trading Ed Davis? Who can they get then?

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    Quote Beaverboi wrote: View Post
    Good point. And remember, all bigs take 5 years to develop.
    I'm willing to put money on Valanciunas taking a lot less than 5 years
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    Quote Papa Burgundy wrote: View Post
    Also, don't forget the potential S&T of Sonny ... maybe nothing ... maybe something small ... but could be another asset, if he gets healthy.
    Wouldn't it be ironic if they traded Davis for a late lottery pick to draft Marshall... traded for his own UNC teammate!

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Wouldn't it be ironic if they traded Davis for a late lottery pick to draft Marshall... traded for his own UNC teammate!
    I would be pretty okay with that trade
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    somehow magically getting MKG AND Beal would cause semen to stain the mountaintops
    Youre like Heinz 2.0

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    I think giving up on Ed is still a bit premature.

    The guy played in his rookie year after being off for a whole season from college basketball. Then he misses training camp due to a knee injury. and this year, no training camp and no practices.

    I would trade Amir over him.

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    Quote tbihis wrote: View Post
    I think giving up on Ed is still a bit premature.

    The guy played in his rookie year after being off for a whole season from college basketball. Then he misses training camp due to a knee injury. and this year, no training camp and no practices.

    I would trade Amir over him.
    There really is no time/space to "develop" Davis though. He's not going to get the minutes to learn through his mistakes. He's not afforded that luxury this season, so we can guarantee he'll have an even shorter leash next season (when we're actually competing for a playoff spot). And if we're not going to make a conscious effort to develop him, why bother keeping him around? He's better used as a trade asset to help make the team better next year.

    Having 2 front court rotation players learn how to play next year, doesn't sound promising (unless their names are Jonas and Anthony).
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    Quote tbihis wrote: View Post
    I think giving up on Ed is still a bit premature.

    The guy played in his rookie year after being off for a whole season from college basketball. Then he misses training camp due to a knee injury. and this year, no training camp and no practices.

    I would trade Amir over him.
    I would prefer to trade Amir too, as I got into many an argument with Tim W during the offseason about just that.

    However, given age, potential, salary, etc... I would imagine that there are a lot more teams interested in trading for Davis than there are for Amir, especially if the Raptors don't want to take salary back.

    Plus, if Calderon does stay around next season and even beyond as the veteran backup PG, he and Amir would have good chemistry together to provide some scoring punch to the 2nd unit.

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