No but that's not something that needs to be addressed right now. Just like on the court, you need to make the best of what comes your way. Forcing the issue leads to mistakes and this is a critical point in the game.
Do you guys think that Derrick Williams is worth the pick if the wolves are willing to trade him. He is not getting consistent playing time and the Wolves may want to fill other positional needs. It's more likely that they trade Beasley but I can't help but wonder. This would fill the SF position nicely. Personally, I would only consider this trade if the pick was lower than 5.
The thing I don't get is that this draft is deeper than last year's draft, the Raptors are odds on to land in the same draft position they had last season yet there seems to be more support for trading the pick now than there was last season. I think that right now there is more certainty of the #5 pick being outstanding than it was last April at this time. Seriously, JV was slotted top three last year this time. We were all buzzing over Kemba Walker and Brandon Knight at #5. The #5 this year is likely to be better than both those guys.
You trade the pick if you feel you can make a deal for a guy who will contribute immediately under the impression that we are going to compete to go deep into the playoffs next year.
In other words, you keep the pick at this point, pick up another young, talented player on a rookie contract, and stack assets, while maintaining cap flexibility, waiting for the right opportunity when some star presents himself and we are a much better team.
Yeah, I mean what if the Raptors moved the #4 in '98 for someone like Nick Van Exel and a pick outside the lottery?
What if the Thunder had moved the #4 in 2008 for Devin Harris and a pick outside the lottery?
To me, this is sort of what we're talking about here today if I was to put the "psychic hindsight"goggles on.
Come the off season, needs and opportunities will change for teams all around the league.
Holiday is actually younger than ED. He is also the same age as Tyshawn Taylor and Damian Lillard and just one year older than Kendall Marshall.
I really like the idea of a player with Holiday's ability running the point. A little more structure and defined role and he could be really good. His defense is really what intrigues me - and he is no slouch on offense (albeit inconsistent but that is possibly due to coaching and teammates).
I don't know what BC's big board is looking like but, at this time, there are a lot of PF's and C's (few if any of which seem to be better than current Raptors) in that mid-late lottery range.
In case I have not said this or made it clear, if the Raps are picking top 5, I'm not interested in trading that pick.
Ok, fine and I'm telling you I probably would oppose trading away a pick 8-10 range as well so let's move on...
And he also had a deal lined up with Detroit to trade a player each and their picks last year until CLE unexpectedly picked Thompson. Again, this comes back to his judgement of the players in the draft. By your own logic, if a player like Jrue Holiday could be had and he feels Holiday is better than the player available with his pick, clearly he makes the trade.Colangelo always says clearly he's a stacker. He'll stack and worry about fitting it all together later. The draft is about the future, not the present.
The draft is about the future, not the present - absolutely and, using the Holiday example, a 21 year old PG (same age as Lillard and Taylor and just 1 year older than Marshall) who can shoot, create, pass, and defend is a great future asset.
When the memo on the whole season has been to hit the ground running, you take the best players available and that best player might not be the draft pick but the
Fair enough.If the Raptors are picking 8-10 I'm not interested in trading the pick... Unless, the guy at the top of their board can be had a little later. Typically that's not going to be 7-10 picks later.
yea Quincy miller, if we keep winning and miller declares you know what time it is. Miller Time!
Given the last 11 years of history, a bottom 3 finish is nothing to get excited about in hopes of a top 3 pick:
bottom 3 teams in order of finish
top 5 picks in the draft
CHI, GSW, WSH
WSH, LAC, ATL
CHI & GSW (tie), MEM
HOU, CHI, GSW
CLE & DEN (tie), TOR
CLE, DET, DEN
ORL, CHI, WSH
ORL, CHA (expansion), CHI
ATL, NOH, CHA
MIL, ATL, UTA
POR, NYK, ATL
TOR, CHI, CHA
MEM, BOS, MIL
POR, SEA, ATL
MIA, SEA, MEM
CHI, MIA, MIN
SAC, WSH & LAC (tie)
LAC, MEM, OKC
NJ, MIN, SAC
WSH, PHI, NJ
MIN, CLE, TOR
CLE (from LAC), MIN, UTA
I know what the 'odds' in the draft are but over the last 11 drafts, the 'odds' favour teams outside the bottom three ending up in the top 3 for the draft.
Of the 33 teams who 'should' have picked in the top 3, only 11 did in the last 11 years.
If you take away 2002, 2003, and 2004 then of the 24 teams who should have picked in the top 3, only 5 did in the remaining 8 drafts.
So what is my point? I can't wait until May 30th.
With regards to the Raptors, I don't mind them winning games right now if they could win convincingly over a sh!t team like Charlotte. Seriously, that was some of the worst NBA ball I have ever seen.
Like the bold section states, I can't wait until May 30th.
"the raptors were my fav team growing up"-kevin durant
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