The same ones? They didn't involve the ones that made the right decisions?knickz wrote:
The same ones? They didn't involve the ones that made the right decisions?
I was thinking tonight about how Stern keeps saying a deal is close with a buyer who keeps the team in NOLA. If they don't sell by the draft AND the Raptors get #1 I think Stern would trade the NOLA picks for the marketing and sale ability of Davis.
Since NOLA would be top 5 and late lottery picks this would be ideal, of course a two-course dream scenario but it is what it is.
actually worse case is 14th
flip the pick for j smoove, he's dirt and can play both positions
There's guys in the Raptors range (5-10) that can still contribute next year and have an impact in the rotation, J Lamb and Barnes come to mind. So bringing in Batum or another "young vet" for the pick would be kind of the same thing except more expensive (and you could argue Lamb and Barnes have more potential).
I say only trade the pick if it's part of a larger deal that would bring a bigger piece to TO --ex/ Rondo, Lowry, Gordon, Jennings + x player
I'm also curious to see what happens with our second rounders--Fab Melo, Draymond Green, D Lamb, John Jenkins, ...Joseph, Nicholson, Kabongo?? Or can those be flipped with other assets for a 'win now' player?
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You've seen it but the guys who get paid to scout have no idea what they're talking about? There haven't been this many good, intriguing prospects picks 1-40 in a while.
He is hitting free agency next year. He is also a headcase. I wouldn't touch him.
he's not a headcase, atlanta is a fuckin headcase.
Nah j smoove is getting up there in age and we will be abandoning the rebuilding if we trade for him
I don't see any problem with stockpiling draft picks if we can steal another first rounder this year. Then you'd have a young core developing together and hopefully hitting their prime at the same time.
Drafting 7th or worse could turn out in our favour. We could end up getting lucky drafting a PG.
this entire thread is about abandoning the rebuild from what i understand.
if it doesn't work out he's a player that a contender wouldbe dying to have, or a borderliner looking for that piece.
I think it's an easy abort if it dont work out. youjust ship him out west, dallas, san antonio, la, even phoenix if they retain nash.
i am for trading the pick if we are landing at the 8-10 might be able to get a batum, who i dont think is giving up on the rebuild and maybe a later first round pick.
well, a rebuild is getting your star players through the draft and then using free agency and trades to fill out the rest of the roster.
you're not going to get batum out of portland, and quite frankly he isn't worth what it would take even if it was possible.
Josh Smith is younger than bargnani i think, I know he's not 30.
But, his price could be a bit steep and there are younger, less risky options. I'm still not sure Derozan is a sure fire 2. But, let's say he is.I just don't see any non-draft options at 3. Unless, you try to get wes johnson or d-will 2 from minny.
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Josh is the same age as Bargs and is much better than him in every way as a C/PF.
If he is ready to commit to us I would have no problem signing him. We don't want to sign the Deron Williams 2.0 who is hitting the free agency next year.
Atlanta would need Bargnani + this year 1st rounder for him. Any trade which involves this year's lottery pick has to be a franchise player. And Josh with all his positives is still not a franchise player.
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Josh smith cant play C
His defense says otherwise :P
He has done it several times covering for Pachulia this season. Horford's injury has left Atlanta short there. But I agree with you ideally he is not a center.
Some key ideas I think you're missing here:
- I don't think an NBA team plans around drafting anybody unless they're in a position of certainty, like drafting 1st overall or drafting after what they feel were consensus picks.
- How does Colangelo know the guy he wants will go 16th overall? Any good player at the table isn't showing his cards. Those mock drafts are always wrong. No one thought JV was going to fall to #5 last year. No one thought Ed Davis was going to fall to #13 the year before. That's a couple examples close to home.
- You need to ask yourself why Quincy Miller's stock has plummeted so much? He tore his ACL in high school and based on everything I've followed and saw he reminds me of Jonathan Bender. Great...
Colangelo has been less successful when trading picks as opposed to using them. This is clear, and whether or not he was going to trade the pick last year is irrelevant. I'm not saying he wouldn't do it, I'm saying history indicates that he shouldn't do it. Of course there will be exceptions to the rule but I'd need more than this he said, she said stuff to continue on this path.
Some key words I think you're missing here:
- If
- Might
- for example
All implied hypothetical situations where I thought we had previously both agreed we have no idea what is going on in Colangelo's mind.
Some key concepts I think you're missing here:
- any draft pick trade would happen on draft night when who is available at what selection is known
- trading the draft pick a month or two out of the draft is not very bright
- remembering all this happens on draft night, but one of the points was say Moe Harkless or Quincy Miler (again, hypothetical) was atop BC's draft board. All the mock board and other GM's have those guys in the high teens but BC with his great talent evaluation skills in the draft feels those guys are better than the consensus picks in the 5-10 range. Why wouldn't he trade the pick if he can get another asset AND the player he truly covets at a lower pick? So putting it all together at the Raptors selection, they take the consensus best player available or the player another team wants and then another team takes the player BC wants later along with acquring another asset(s).
What does it say at the bottom of a prospectus? "Past performance does not guarantee future performance."
I'm aware of Colangelo's history of moves. Here is every move he has made: http://hoopshype.com/general_manager..._colangelo.htm
The point I attempted to make was to get the best player available. That best player might not be the pick (that was another hypothetical). Jrue Holiday, in the example I gave, is a proven, defensive minded NBA PG who is younger, the same age, or one year older than many of the PG's currently in this year's draft. Of course, the draft is based on taking the best player available and that player most likely will not be a PG when the Raptors pick. But that is not the issue I raised as that is a given. The point is what if Jrue Holiday can be had for the pick (or in combination of assets in a particular trade) and Holiday is deemed to be a better player and prospect than anything the Raptors could take with that selection. So if the memo is to hit the ground running and it is deemed trading the pick for Jrue Holiday (and hopefully other assets) is the best way to go about that, then trade the pick.
Of course, this is all hypothetical and the odds of it happening in any respect is equivalent to me getting a call up to replace Gray in the starting lineup as the season continues onwards.
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