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  • #46
    Miekenstien wrote: View Post
    do you think any of his lithuanian championship teams would have won without him? maybe his senior mens teams but none of the others. 5 time mvp is pretty "cant win without this guy" for a prospect
    But isn't there a difference between the NBA competition and the Lithuanian championship teams competition? All I think the success in Europe has shown is that he is insanely talented and that he can be a solid player in the NBA.

    You do bring up an excellent point though. His success for his age is pretty impressive. He arguably has had a more successful basketball career by age 19 then many franchise players in the league today.

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    • #47
      My best description of what we can expect him to become is a more athletic Marc Gasol...so maybe Marc/crossed with JaVale Mcgee's athleticism (yes that's a stretch but..just go with it).

      Edit: I think he has been compared to Marc Gasol quite a bit and has produced better than Marc when Gasol was in Spain.
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      • #48
        If you think about centers around the league, JV has a good chance of being in the top 15 if he can put up that 7/7 and let's say 2 blocks a game. Tyson Chandler is considered a premiere C and I think he averages 10 and 10 and change in 30 minutes or something.

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        • #49
          I think he definitely has the "potential" to be a franchise player.
          "Defense wins championships."

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          • #50
            Apollo wrote: View Post
            And so did Bargnani. What's the point here?
            Developed body shapes. Bargnani was fairly stronger before he was drafted compared to Jonas. Bargnani played outside. Jonas plays inside.
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            • #51
              Red and White wrote: View Post
              But isn't there a difference between the NBA competition and the Lithuanian championship teams competition? All I think the success in Europe has shown is that he is insanely talented and that he can be a solid player in the NBA.

              You do bring up an excellent point though. His success for his age is pretty impressive. He arguably has had a more successful basketball career by age 19 then many franchise players in the league today.
              yes there is a huge difference in talent. lol. the best players of course play in the best leagues. but i believe that winners win. and so far all bigV has done is win at every level since he started playing basketball and as he has gotten better he has dominated. i dont think he will be tim duncan good or howard strong but he will definitely be a player that other teams will have to plan around on offense and respect on defence. and he will bring his winning to toronto.

              he has been called the most talented big man from europe since sabonis but that might just be the lituanians rooting for each other. aside from if we got davis there isnt a player in this draft i would be as excited about as bigV after the year he had.

              i remember the clips on raptors tv when he was touring the facilities and one guy said he worked with pau gasol, the first thing he said was can you teach me to do what pau does. that was a 18 year old kid. going to be a winner.

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              • #52
                Apollo wrote: View Post
                I think the most likely scenario is he's eased into the lineup and averages 25MPG by the end of the season. Casey and Colangelo have both already mentioned this tough veteran big man they're going to target in the off-season. My thinking is that they're looking for that because JV is going to be limited at times. They're not throwing this kid to the wolves like the Raptors did with Bosh at age 19.

                If he hits Amir's 2011/2012 numbers what does that even mean? Some people are talking perrenial all-star and hall of fame. Some guys are talking #2 in the league in the paint. Is 7 and 7 going to be enough in season one with talk like that? It's a little out of control in here.



                And so did Bargnani. What's the point here?
                Time for a little musical interlude:

                I'm so excited,
                and I just can't fight it,
                I'm about to lose control
                and I think I like it.




                OMG, so much potential!




                Personally, I think he will be better than Sabonis. I think my expectations are reasonable. LOL

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                • #53
                  Miekenstien wrote: View Post
                  yes there is a huge difference in talent. lol. the best players of course play in the best leagues. but i believe that winners win. and so far all bigV has done is win at every level since he started playing basketball and as he has gotten better he has dominated. i dont think he will be tim duncan good or howard strong but he will definitely be a player that other teams will have to plan around on offense and respect on defence. and he will bring his winning to toronto.

                  he has been called the most talented big man from europe since sabonis but that might just be the lituanians rooting for each other. aside from if we got davis there isnt a player in this draft i would be as excited about as bigV after the year he had.

                  i remember the clips on raptors tv when he was touring the facilities and one guy said he worked with pau gasol, the first thing he said was can you teach me to do what pau does. that was a 18 year old kid. going to be a winner.
                  So because JV has been that successful and has won over and over again against players who, as you said, are not the best, you are telling me that he will join the NBA (play against the hardest competition) and will be in the same category as the Roses, Durants, Howards, Loves, Bryants, and Williams (all the other franchise players) within a few years? Winning one place does not automatically translate to another. But hard work, effort, and love of the game do translate over, which is why I think I agree with you that he will be a solid player, he is a great combination of skills, but he was a fifth pick in a bad draft and that does say something (even with the year he has had and the whole buyout situation). 4 times a GM looked at him and picked someone else. He is not going to come to the league and dominate. I totally agree with you that he has all the potential to be a legit player, but to carry and lead an NBA team? I am not seeing it yet.

                  Just my opinion from what I have seen from him.
                  Last edited by Red and White; Thu Apr 5, 2012, 08:51 AM.

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                  • #54
                    Better than Sabonis is the biggest upside for him, which even for me as his real fan at the moment is pretty unrealistic. Though I am extremely confident in him and his career, first years and the fans opinion towards him. You guys are going to love him. What makes me confident is his LOVE for the basketball (there is no player with bigger passions for bball in this and last years draft, thats my opinion), a sense of gratitude for his franchise, you will see, he will output 150% of himself in being grateful for an opportunity and trust, he's consistently moving forward and taking every opportunity for granted. Even if his stats first year will be struggling, write that down, you still are going to love him as you will see how badly he wants to be better, you will notice this and maybe even became a bigger fans of basketball by yourself His worst scenario is Big Z in my opinion (Ilgauskas) What's not that bad, huh?
                    Last edited by RandomGuy; Thu Apr 5, 2012, 08:15 AM.
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                    • #55
                      WJF wrote: View Post
                      Why you trying to hold him back, quintuple double, quintuple double...
                      That's asking a lot. I would be happy with simply a double-triple.

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                      • #56
                        Red and White wrote: View Post
                        ...4 times a GM looked at him and picked someone else. He is not going to come to the league and dominate. I totally agree with you that he has all the potential to be a legit player, but to carry and lead an NBA team? I am not seeing it yet. Just my opinion from what I have seen from him.
                        Every story I read had writers commenting on the fact that he would not be available to play the upcoming season or two (with many stories saying he would definitely not be available for two years). Teams picking early in the draft tend to have the highest needs (they finished near the bottom). The fact that he was passed over may speak more to the passing GM's requirement to show immediate improvement in their respective teams, as opposed to their assessment of his skills/potential.

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                        • #57
                          Puffer wrote: View Post
                          Every story I read had writers commenting on the fact that he would not be available to play the upcoming season or two (with many stories saying he would definitely not be available for two years). Teams picking early in the draft tend to have the highest needs (they finished near the bottom). The fact that he was passed over may speak more to the passing GM's requirement to show immediate improvement in their respective teams, as opposed to their assessment of his skills/potential.
                          Not to be picky, but we finished at the bottom as well and our team needed immediate improvement as well as the Cav's and Minnesota. If anything Utah didn't need that immediate improvement as much as we did, but went with Kanter.

                          In an absolute worst case scenario I see JV as a taller and eventually bigger version of Amir Johnson, though personally I think he would be better at the offensive end of the floor. That alone will make use a better defensive team. I can't say I think he'll be a franchise player because to be a franchise player imo you must be able to dominate at your position. Is he going to be able to dominate or even go toe to toe with Dwight, Bynum? I haven't seen anything that would makes me say yes, but from what I've seen he looks to be a really good player with a tonne of experience. Can wait to see how it translates to the NBA.

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                          • #58
                            Matt52 wrote: View Post
                            Personally, I think he will be better than Sabonis. I think my expectations are reasonable. LOL
                            While I realize you're joking here, I'm pretty sure I was one of the few people trying to calm people's expectations about DeRozan after the second half of last season. You know, during that time when he started getting compared to Kobe and those silly threads about how he's too good to ever want to re-sign in Toronto sprung up... We do this to ourselves just about every year.

                            Let's build up the next one to unrealistic expectations so we can unfairly tear him down at the first signs of adversity. Proceed... *bookmarks thread*

                            Carter = Air Jordan
                            Bosh = Garnett
                            Bargnani = Dirk
                            Calderon = Nash
                            DeMar & Sonny = Vince & T-Mac
                            JV = GOAT

                            Let the good times roll.

                            ...Until 2012 opening tip off.

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                            • #59
                              Apollo wrote: View Post
                              While I realize you're joking here, I'm pretty sure I was one of the few people trying to calm people's expectations about DeRozan after the second half of last season. You know, during that time when he started getting compared to Kobe and those silly threads about how he's too good to ever want to re-sign in Toronto sprung up... We do this to ourselves just about every year.

                              Let's build up the next one to unrealistic expectations so we can unfairly tear him down at the first signs of adversity. Proceed... *bookmarks thread*

                              Carter = Air Jordan
                              Bosh = Garnett
                              Bargnani = Dirk
                              Calderon = Nash
                              DeMar & Sonny = Vince & T-Mac
                              JV = GOAT

                              Let the good times roll.

                              ...Until 2012 opening tip off.
                              No arguments from me on the matter. I just have been searching for any excuse to throw in a link to the Pointer Sisters for nearly 2 years now

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                              • #60
                                It's not just Toronto where the incredibly high expectations are placed.

                                Kyrie Irving = Chris Paul
                                Roy Hibbert = Patrick Ewing
                                Bismack Biyombo - Dikembe Mutombo
                                John Wall = Derrick Rose
                                Ricky Rubio = Pete Maravich
                                Isaiah Thomas = Isaiah Thomas (lol)

                                It's a subconscious game everyone plays these days. "When a young player is selected, what past or present superstar does he remind you of?" It's a silly game....but it is what it is.

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