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Thread: Your 2012/13 Dream (Yet Also Logical and Doable) 10 Man Rotation

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    Quote Papa Burgundy wrote: View Post
    PG: Steve Nash - Jose Calderon

    SG: Bradley Beal - Demar Derozan

    SF: James Johnson - Linus Kleiza

    PF: Andrea Bargnani - Amir Johnson

    C: Jonas Valanciunas - Aaron Gray

    How it happens:
    -Free Agent money gets spent on Nash
    -Beal is available when we're drafting
    -Gray re-signs
    - ... done ... simple dream, crazy team.

    Still leaves us with an Ed Davis trade chip, S&T with Bayless and Sonny if desired, and our 2nd rounders.
    the other good thing about this is if DeRozan doesn't want to shift to the bench, you can switch him for Bayless in the 6th man role.

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    the other good thing about this is if DeRozan doesn't want to shift to the bench, you can switch him for Bayless in the 6th man role.
    agreed...

    I dont think you can keep jose and get nash, no diversity not to mention they arent young anymore, the nagging injuries between the two of them is enough to ruin a teams playoff hopes...not to mention all of the salary tied up in one position...

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    Quote WJF wrote: View Post
    Here is my 10

    PG Jose/Marshall
    SG Demar/Bayless
    SF James Johnson/MKG
    PF Andrea/Ed
    C Jonas/Gray

    Amir or/and Linas is used with a second round pick to trade for Kendall Marshall. We would be a little young, but Jose, Gray, and Andrea bring enough experience to keep it together. Bayless and DeMar have been around long enough to not be totally new to the NBA either.
    3 rookies eh? All getting significant minutes? Sounds like you are hoping we tank next season too. Pretty sure BC wants to hit the ground running next season, not simply hit the ground.

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    I love how no one picked Anthony Davis in their line up. If MKG is doable then why can't Davis be? It is hypothetical after all...

    Raptors are currently tied with Sacramento for 6th/7th place in the standings.. getting Davis is slightly less probable as getting MKG if the season ended today (assuming MKG was ranked #2).

    Here is my dream line up (with a small pinch of reality):

    Val
    Davis
    Gay
    DD
    Nash
    Gray
    Amir
    JJ
    Barbosa
    Machado
    Kleiza
    Forbes
    Nicholson

    1) Draft Davis, Nicholson and Machado with our picks
    2) Trade Bargs, Calderon, Ed Davis and 2013 #1 pick for Gay
    3) Acquire Nash and Barbosa through free agency (Barbosa to help lure Nash)
    4) Renounce Bayless, Weems and Alabi


    That's a team that would challenge for the division title.
    Last edited by planetmars; Wed Apr 4th, 2012 at 04:44 PM.

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    C Jonas Valanciunas / Amir Johnson
    PF Andrea Bargnani
    SF Andrei Kirilenko / James Johnson / Linas Kleiza
    SG Demar Derozan / Bradley Beal
    PG Jose Calderon / Kendal Marshal

    BC work in the summer:

    *Draft Bradley Beal (or MKG, Harrison Barnes)
    *Trade Ed Davis and second round picks to lottery pick (draft Marshal)
    *Sign Andrei Kirilenko

    -We would have only Bargnani at PF, but AK47, Linas Kleiza and JJ all can play some PF, or Amir.
    -Everything changes if we win lottery, then obviously we should draft Anthony Davis and maybe try to sign Eric Gordon, not Kirilenko
    Last edited by japetas; Wed Apr 4th, 2012 at 04:52 PM.
    (Sorry for poor English )

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    If we can't get AD:

    Calderon/Dragic
    DeRozan/Forbes
    Barnes/Johnson
    Bargnani/Davis
    Valanciunas/Gray

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    draft: Anthony Davis (fingers crossed)

    trade: Andrea Bargnani + Derozan: For whoever drafts beal.

    free agent signing: overpay gerald wallace, veteran centre so jonas can adjust (roy hibbert, chris kaman etc..)
    amnesty:Kleiza.

    Roster:

    C: Hibbert/Valanciunas
    PF:Anthony Davis/Amir Johnson
    SF:Gerald Wallace/James Johnson
    SG:Beal/Forbes
    PG:Calderon/Bayless

    we are winning 45 games with this roster imo. Involves a lot of luck, and I'm not sure if andrea's value drops/increases before the season is over.

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    Goran Dragic (FA)
    Michael Kidd Gilchrist (get lucky in the draft, or trade up)
    Wilson Chandler (recent article suggested they signed him as a trade chip 7.5 is a LOT to pay for a bench player)
    Andrea Bargnani
    Jonas Valanciunas
    Jerryd Bayless (qualifying offer)
    Amir Johnson
    Aaron Gray
    Linas Kleiza
    Reggie Evans (FA)

    Prediction Based On Talent 42wins 40 losses
    good for 7th or 8th in the east.

    With regards to Chandler, I've wondered why Denver would pay so much for a backup player. It made me wonder if the salary was actually negotiated with the Raptors when he was in Toronto, to eventually be dealt to the Raptors as a delayed S&T deal. It is also interesting to note that Chandler's salary would fit nicely into Toronto's pre-July 1st TPE which was generated by the Barbosa trade (Chandler can be traded anytime after May 18).

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    Really eh? Interesting.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    With regards to Chandler, I've wondered why Denver would pay so much for a backup player. It made me wonder if the salary was actually negotiated with the Raptors when he was in Toronto, to eventually be dealt to the Raptors as a delayed S&T deal. It is also interesting to note that Chandler's salary would fit nicely into Toronto's pre-July 1st TPE which was generated by the Barbosa trade (Chandler can be traded anytime after May 18).
    I can't find the story but I read something recently saying, much like Amir Johnson, the initial value reported was not the true amount. It was something like 5 years and $30M with all of this year (21 games) being guaranteed. That would leave 4 years and around $24M per season. Around $6M per year would be VERY good for Chandler in my opinion - even though he has struggled re-adjusting to the NBA.

    If anyone can find that link, I'd appreciate it. I've looked but can't find it. There is always the possibility I am wrong but I don't usually hallucinate such things.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I can't find the story but I read something recently saying, much like Amir Johnson, the initial value reported was not the true amount. It was something like 5 years and $30M with all of this year (21 games) being guaranteed. That would leave 4 years and around $24M per season. Around $6M per year would be VERY good for Chandler in my opinion - even though he has struggled re-adjusting to the NBA.

    If anyone can find that link, I'd appreciate it. I've looked but can't find it. There is always the possibility I am wrong but I don't usually hallucinate such things.
    Found the following off of HoopsHype:
    http://hoopshype.com/rumors/tag/wilson_chandler

    Wilson's Chandler's new contract in Denver, widely reported to be worth $37 million over five years, actually comes in at $31.7 million, according to sources familiar with the contract. The deal starts at $5.5 million for the rest of this season and tops out at $7.2 million in 2015-16, sources said. ESPN.com
    That links to a Stein column at ESPN:
    http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/p...hing-decisions

    Wilson's Chandler's new contract in Denver, widely reported to be worth $37 million over five years, actually comes in at $31.7 million, according to sources familiar with the contract.

    The deal starts at $5.5 million for the rest of this season and tops out at $7.2 million in 2015-16, sources said.

    At present, though, only $2 million of Chandler's 2015-16 salary is guaranteed.
    So if that's accurate, Chandler is making about $6.5M a year starting next season.

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    Found the following off of HoopsHype:
    http://hoopshype.com/rumors/tag/wilson_chandler



    That links to a Stein column at ESPN:
    http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/p...hing-decisions



    So if that's accurate, Chandler is making about $6.5M a year starting next season.
    Thanks man! Nice to know I'm not making sh!t up in my head!

    I would be all over Chandler at that contract.

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    trade derozan bayless and ed for a 2nd lottery pick -> I could see Detriot Portland or Utah being interested in that deal.

    Calderon, Aaron Brooks (draft a young pg like tony wroten,marquis teague or isaiah cannon in the 2nd round)
    Beal, Forbes ( try going after landry fields, courtney lee or cj miles or another veteren wing in free agency. If unsuccessful stay with Forbes)
    MKG, JJ
    Bargs, Amir
    Jonas, Gray (try going after Robin Lopez. If unsuccessful Aaron Gray is fine)

    Put all of this together with Casey's defensive scheme and you have a team ready to challenge for the title in 2 years. Calderon and Brooks- experienced point guards who could do that job until the young pg is ready. Beal an outstanding shooter and rebounder to compliment a gritty hard-nosed defender and future all star and all-defensive 1st team player in MKG. Then Bargs will be our leading scorer to drags opposing big men out and makes space for Jonas to do work in the post and clean up all rebounds. Furthermore, our pick and roll game maximized by the pick and pop/pick and roll options with bargs and JV. This team would be able to score,defend, and rebound people.

    In all seriousness this can happen because of our cap flexibility and young assets that can be moved for a 2nd lottery pick. It would take maybe 1 year for this all to click (we could still be a playoff team) but I guarentee after that we would finally have a title contender in town!! PLEASE READD THIS COLANGELO

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    With regards to Chandler, I've wondered why Denver would pay so much for a backup player. It made me wonder if the salary was actually negotiated with the Raptors when he was in Toronto, to eventually be dealt to the Raptors as a delayed S&T deal. It is also interesting to note that Chandler's salary would fit nicely into Toronto's pre-July 1st TPE which was generated by the Barbosa trade (Chandler can be traded anytime after May 18).
    That will be very interesting to find out, indeed. If that was the case I'd go hard after Brad Beal in the draft to play SG and dump DeRozan to try and get a PG. I still wanna get rid of Bargs but I'd once again be willing to give him another shot next season to play with Jonas. If he gets injured again I trade him ASAP.

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    PG - Jose Calderon/Kendall Marshall - Kabongo - Goran Dragic
    SG - Demar Derozan/Gary Forbes
    SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist/James Johnson
    PF - Andrea Bargnani/Ed Davis
    C - Jonas Valanciunas/Aaron Gray

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    Starting : Jonas, Pau Gasol, MKG, Eric Gordon, Calderon
    Bench : Camby (FA), Davis, JJ, Kleiza, Forbes, Bayless

    Trade:
    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7j74j7r
    Lakers trade Pau for Andrea+ Amir + second rounder

    sign-in trade Eric Gordon for Demar + Gray

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    or...

    PG - Jose Calderon/Kendall Marshall - Myck Kabongo - Goran Dragic
    SG - Demar Derozan/Gary Forbes
    SF - James Johnson/(Receiving player in trade for Andrea Bargnani)
    PF - Anthony Davis/Amir Johnson
    C - Jonas Valanciunas/Aaron Gray

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    Quote draftedraptor wrote: View Post
    Starting : Jonas, Pau Gasol, MKG, Eric Gordon, Calderon
    Bench : Camby (FA), Davis, JJ, Kleiza, Forbes, Bayless

    Trade:
    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7j74j7r
    Lakers trade Pau for Andrea+ Amir + second rounder

    sign-in trade Eric Gordon for Demar + Gray
    Oh man that seems way too good to be true :P

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    I had to factor in a draft pick and got to 11:

    Holiday, Hinrich
    DD, Forbes
    JJ, Kleiza, Miller
    Bargnani, Amir
    JV, Gray


    *ED/Raps pick for Holiday/76ers pick
    *Raps draft Quincy Miller with 76ers pick as a very talented project who could be a star if healthy

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    Jose Calderon/Bayless/Kabongo
    Demar Derozan/Gary Forbes
    Batum/MKG/JJ
    Davis/Amir
    Val/Gray

    Resign Gray, Bayless. Flip Bargs and Ed and future first round pick for second lottery pick.
    Draft MKG, Davis, and Kabongo
    Sign Batum.
    Amnesty Kleiza.
    With this we can slowly integrate MKG into the game, slide batum to the 2 and have MKG play more at the end of games. This way Derozan's happy he starts.
    Its a pipe-dream, but its also cost effective, with Bayless getting approx 4 mill, jose and batum getting 10mill each, and 5 players on rookie contract. Then if Demar leaves after his rookie contract, all the better, because we can officially move batum to the 2 and have a great rebounding lineup, and good shooting and GREAT defense.

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