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    With our next three games being crucial in determining our draft position before the lottery on May 30th I want to see what options are on the table in the late lottery picks. One player I've been following is Damian Lillard from Weber St. 6'2 PG who's quick, explosive, athletic, can create his own shot and for others, uses the pick and roll well, and doesn't turnover the ball a lot. He might be a guy that could be our PG of the future if we drop. Anyone else see other players that could be at play for our pick if we drop.

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    Not much to dislike about his game. Score first PG with a silky touch. His assist numbers aren't great but either are his teammates. Hard worker that has improved drastically every year in college. Athletic but not a freak. Worth a look in the late lottery.

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    Quote DG88 wrote: View Post
    With our next three games being crucial in determining our draft position before the lottery on May 30th I want to see what options are on the table in the late lottery picks. One player I've been following is Damian Lillard from Weber St. 6'2 PG who's quick, explosive, athletic, can create his own shot and for others, uses the pick and roll well, and doesn't turnover the ball a lot. He might be a guy that could be our PG of the future if we drop. Anyone else see other players that could be at play for our pick if we drop.
    He reminds me of Charlie Jenkins and Reggie Jackson out of last year's draft.


    I wouldn't be reaching on a PG that is getting more hype due to a lack of PG's in the draft. I think he and Marshall's value are being artificially inflated due to a lack of PG's in the draft.... but that is just my opinion.

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    I like the pick too but this would definitely be the end Jerryd Bayless.
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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    I like the pick too but this would definitely be the end Jerryd Bayless.
    From what's written about him, he could be the second best player in the draft. Poor level of competition is one way teams miss some very good player. He is the guy that should be passing the ball and receiving the pass, so his ball distribution abilities are difficult to assess. BC would have to make the call on this possible mirage demanding attention.

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    No thanks. A score first pg who turns the ball over more than he should and doesn't rack up high assist totals? why not just give Bayless the QO?

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    2 turnovers a game isn't bad compared to a guy like Tony Wroten Jr, another score first PG, who turns the ball over more than he generates assists. Lillard was the best scorer for his team so he had to score to keep them in games. It's not like he was inefficient at scoring the ball either, 2p% 51.7 3p% 41 FT% 89.

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    Quote DG88 wrote: View Post
    2 turnovers a game isn't bad compared to a guy like Tony Wroten Jr, another score first PG, who turns the ball over more than he generates assists. Lillard was the best scorer for his team so he had to score to keep them in games. It's not like he was inefficient at scoring the ball either, 2p% 51.7 3p% 41 FT% 89.
    Jimmer-esque.

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    No thanks. A score first pg who turns the ball over more than he should and doesn't rack up high assist totals? why not just give Bayless the QO?
    Damian Lillard 2.2 TO/g 74 TOs
    Kendall Marshall 2.8 TO/g 101 TOs
    Jimmer Fredette 3.5 TO/g 131 TOs 10/11

    His pretty good at protecting the ball even seeing he had to make a play every position. Lillard translate way better to the NBA than Fredette.
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    Right. And look at Lillard's competition. Lots of inferior competition. A lot will depend on his workouts, but as for right now, I'm not high on him like some of you are. Low assist totals coupled with not so impressive turnover rates in a very weak and unproven conference makes me not impressed. In my opinion, at this moment, he's not worth a top-10 pick and I don't believe he's an upgrade over Calderon or Bayless

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    In my opinion, at this moment, he's not worth a top-10 pick and I don't believe he's an upgrade over Calderon or Bayless
    None of these point guards in this draft are upgrades over Calderon or Bayless IMO. Maybe Marshall over Bayless, but that's a risk I don't want to take on unless we fall.

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    Right. And look at Lillard's competition. Lots of inferior competition. A lot will depend on his workouts, but as for right now, I'm not high on him like some of you are. Low assist totals coupled with not so impressive turnover rates in a very weak and unproven conference makes me not impressed. In my opinion, at this moment, he's not worth a top-10 pick and I don't believe he's an upgrade over Calderon or Bayless
    There's been many players that have come from smaller schools with inferior competition that have done well in the NBA. Competition shouldn't be the deciding factor. He does have NBA talent which has bee the reason why a number of NBA scouts have come to watch him play. It's like people last year with Jonas, because they didn't know much about him and because he played in Europe people thought he wouldn't amount to anything special, because he played in an inferior league. Now everyone thinks he's our saviour. You don't make a judgement on a prospect based solely on his competition. You look at his physical attributes, his skill set and his mindset and you see if he possesses those qualities that would show in the NBA.

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    Quote DG88 wrote: View Post
    There's been many players that have come from smaller schools with inferior competition that have done well in the NBA. Competition shouldn't be the deciding factor. He does have NBA talent which has bee the reason why a number of NBA scouts have come to watch him play. It's like people last year with Jonas, because they didn't know much about him and because he played in Europe people thought he wouldn't amount to anything special, because he played in an inferior league. Now everyone thinks he's our saviour. You don't make a judgement on a prospect based solely on his competition. You look at his physical attributes, his skill set and his mindset and you see if he possesses those qualities that would show in the NBA.
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    There's been many players that have come from smaller schools with inferior competition that have done well in the NBA. Competition shouldn't be the deciding factor. He does have NBA talent which has bee the reason why a number of NBA scouts have come to watch him play. It's like people last year with Jonas, because they didn't know much about him and because he played in Europe people thought he wouldn't amount to anything special, because he played in an inferior league. Now everyone thinks he's our saviour. You don't make a judgement on a prospect based solely on his competition. You look at his physical attributes, his skill set and his mindset and you see if he possesses those qualities that would show in the NBA.
    Like I said in a previous post, a lot depends on how is workouts go. The kid put up some serious stats, unfortunately, his competition does play a part in deciding whether or not he should be in this team. The Valancuinas comparison you used is not a good one - Valanciunas played against men. He also got a chance to play against some of the best in the Euro league. Lillard plays against other kids in an unknown conference. He might as well have played in the CIS. I believe it plays a massive part in being a deciding factor. There's a difference playing in a tough conference like the ACC or Big East, playing against big time compeition and playing in the Big Sky Conference against Northern Arizona, Portland State, Eastern Washington, and the ever popular hotbed for producing bigtime NBA players, Idaho State. I'm sure there are countless guys in that conference that produce big numbers year end and year out that don't get mentioned as being lottery selections, and there's a reason why. I think Lillard will be a solid pro, maybe a Rodney Stuckey lite, but I believe we have better options on our team than Lillard.

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    Imo, Marshall is an upgrade over Bayless in the sense that he's a much better game manager.

    Is he worth a top-10 pick? Debatable. However, I'd do a draft day trade whereby we select someone then flip them to whoever selects Marshall further down and them sending some cash our way.
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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    Imo, Marshall is an upgrade over Bayless in the sense that he's a much better game manager.

    Is he worth a top-10 pick? Debatable. However, I'd do a draft day trade whereby we select someone then flip them to whoever selects Marshall further down and them sending some cash our way.
    I wouldn't be angry if we dropped and drafted Marshall. Like you said, he's a pure point guard and has a special passing ability.

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    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    I wouldn't be angry if we dropped and drafted Marshall. Like you said, he's a pure point guard and has a special passing ability.
    I feel like there is a reason why Damian Lillard is a head of Kendall Marshall in like every mock
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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    I feel like there is a reason why Damian Lillard is a head of Kendall Marshall in like every mock
    Well he is a big time scorer at the college level. But in the NBA, there is just more than scoring, that's why I don't have him ahead in my "mock"

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    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    Well he is a big time scorer at the college level. But in the NBA, there is just more than scoring, that's why I don't have him ahead in my "mock"
    I just can't be a fan of another point guard that can't guard his position in a raptor uniform.
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    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    I wouldn't be angry if we dropped and drafted Marshall. Like you said, he's a pure point guard and has a special passing ability.
    Marshall can't shoot or get to the rim and has to pass the ball before the defence sets up. Why would a defence even bother to cover him? He passes the ball immediately because it's a hot potato with diminishing returns in his hands. With so few skills his options are limited! Not very impressed with passing point guards that can't shoot and have loads of talent around them to help make them look like they are making the right decisions. That said, he must have a high b-ball IQ because he usually gets the hot potato into the right hands.

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