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Thread: Jose Watch 2012: Colangelo hints Jose will not be amnestied (#46)

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    He doesn't fit the definition whether it's a little or a lot.

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    I hope Jose is a Raptor lifer ... he is already the best Raptor PG ever, judged on time wearing the dino - and is a class act. If he could start another year or two and transition into a leadership and stability role as a back-up ... why not?
    The only way to bag a classy lady is to give her two tickets to the gun show... and see if she likes the goods.

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    He doesn't fit the definition whether it's a little or a lot.
    Well then whether it's a little or a lot, this is a mislabelled thread, and I'd like to propose that Nate Huffman qualifies as a Toronto lifer. Sure it's only 7 games, and the team tried to screw him out of his money, resulting in a lawsuit. So while there is clearly no desire for either him or the team to recognize it, he played his entire NBA career in Toronto, and is thus by your technical definition, a "lifer". =P

    Clearly I'm kidding with this, but seriously, I understand the technicality, but lets say we keep Jose until his final year, and then trade him because we know he's done, or he wants to go somewhere else(maybe we'd be bad again by then, and since Jose's game is not very athletic to begin with, he may still be useful as a 2nd or 3rd PG), and he's traded away for 40-50 games...would you then disqualify him as a lifer? I think there needs to be some flexibility. If your definition is very rigid, I'd say I doubt Jose will be a lifer, and these days it's usually just franchise guys like Duncan, Kobe, etc...who can be and usually choose to be. And even some of those calibre players just choose to go elsewhere.

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    Sorry, I think I dissed PJ Tucker, who played a whole 17 games for us before washing out of the league and going to Europe.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Well then whether it's a little or a lot, this is a mislabelled thread, and I'd like to propose that Nate Huffman qualifies as a Toronto lifer. Sure it's only 7 games, and the team tried to screw him out of his money, resulting in a lawsuit. So while there is clearly no desire for either him or the team to recognize it, he played his entire NBA career in Toronto, and is thus by your technical definition, a "lifer". =P

    Clearly I'm kidding with this, but seriously, I understand the technicality, but lets say we keep Jose until his final year, and then trade him because we know he's done, or he wants to go somewhere else(maybe we'd be bad again by then, and since Jose's game is not very athletic to begin with, he may still be useful as a 2nd or 3rd PG), and he's traded away for 40-50 games...would you then disqualify him as a lifer? I think there needs to be some flexibility. If your definition is very rigid, I'd say I doubt Jose will be a lifer, and these days it's usually just franchise guys like Duncan, Kobe, etc...who can be and usually choose to be. And even some of those calibre players just choose to go elsewhere.
    Ok, so the thread was mislabeled. Fixed. The main concept of the thread remains intact.

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    Clearly I'm kidding with this, but seriously, I understand the technicality, but lets say we keep Jose until his final year, and then trade him because we know he's done, or he wants to go somewhere else(maybe we'd be bad again by then, and since Jose's game is not very athletic to begin with, he may still be useful as a 2nd or 3rd PG), and he's traded away for 40-50 games...would you then disqualify him as a lifer? I think there needs to be some flexibility. If your definition is very rigid, I'd say I doubt Jose will be a lifer, and these days it's usually just franchise guys like Duncan, Kobe, etc...who can be and usually choose to be. And even some of those calibre players just choose to go elsewhere.
    The main concept of the thread is playing out an NBA career only in one spot.

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    Don’t hold your breath on the Raptors using the amnesty clause this season.

    Certainly where Jose Calderon is concerned, you can pretty much forget about it.

    Calderon, who has a year left and 10.561-million on his contract has been speculated in the past as a potential amnesty target.

    The amnesty clause was included in the NBA collective bargaining agreement signed in December and allows teams a one-time only opportunity to get out from under their worst contracts.

    The Knicks did it with Chauncey Billups and the Orlando Magic did it with the Gilbert Arenas deal. Toronto could use it to free up more cap space, but Colangelo sounds very reluctant to use it at all and even more reluctant to use it on Calderon’s final year.

    “There is no promise or assurance there and I’d say based on the progress of Jose Calderon — he’s the one that everyone targets as that potential amnesty piece — I can share with you that there is tremendous value on this team for Jose Calderon within the coaching staff, within the management team, within the locker room,” Colangelo said. “All of our post-season meetings with the players led us to a clear conclusion that there’s a few leaders in that locker room and one of them is Jose Calderon. The players have a tremendous amount of respect for him.”
    Source: The Sun

    Somebody in here was questioning Jose's leadership but they had no backup. Here's some more information counter to your point.

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    I don't think Colangelo wants to amnesty Calderon, but if a player becomes available (say Rudy Gay), who requires an extra $10 million in cap space to obtain, I bet Colangelo thinks long and hard about it.
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    Jay Bay can take over next season

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    Sure but that doesn't mean he would do a good job at it. I could take over next season but believe me, you don't want to see that.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Sure but that doesn't mean he would do a good job at it. I could take over next season but believe me, you don't want to see that.
    I don't know Apollo, that avatar of yours shows an NBA ready body!

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    Hey don't hate on Mr.Bigshot Bayless. He's the next Chauncey Billups, future starting pg

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    Quote WJF wrote: View Post
    I don't know Apollo, that avatar of yours shows an NBA ready body!
    Don't tell anyone but I'm not Carl Weathers.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Don't tell anyone but I'm not Carl Weathers.
    Ya,right.

    What are you gonna tell me next that picture is from 35 years ago?

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    Hey don't hate on Mr.Bigshot Bayless. He's the next Chauncey Billups, future starting pg
    Maybe...

    But, not on this team.

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    Quote LBF wrote: View Post
    Maybe...

    But, not on this team.
    Yes on this team!

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    I don't think Colangelo wants to amnesty Calderon, but if a player becomes available (say Rudy Gay), who requires an extra $10 million in cap space to obtain, I bet Colangelo thinks long and hard about it.
    Why amnesty a guy who is a valuable trade asset (that is, if the team chooses to move him)? It's not like Calderon has 3-4 years left on his contract.

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    Why amnesty a guy who is a valuable trade asset (that is, if the team chooses to move him)? It's not like Calderon has 3-4 years left on his contract.
    Is he a valuable asset? Considering all Barbosa fetched us was a 50th pick, how much more value could Calderon realistically net us?

    And like I suggested, Colangelo only does it if he absolutely needs an extra $10 million in the here and now, to sign someone important.
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    Expiring contracts ARE valuable, IF you are willing to bring back a multi-yeared contract. In Barbosa's case Colangelo was doing him a favour.

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    Good point. There were probably better offers for Barbosa with salary commitments beyond next season (which goes against what Colangelo was looking for).
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Is he a valuable asset? Considering all Barbosa fetched us was a 50th pick, how much more value could Calderon realistically net us?

    And like I suggested, Colangelo only does it if he absolutely needs an extra $10 million in the here and now, to sign someone important.
    I agree with Nilanka, just because i consider this season as a make-or-break for the Raps. I think they need to challenge this off-season head on, guns blazing and empty that clip till nothings left.

    if they have to amnesty calderon for Gay, then so be it.

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