If the Raps took on Okafor and Ariza, they would be limited to exceptions and minimum contracts in free agency. I don't think they get Ilyasova with that.GoHuskies wrote:
I would be all for what you propose but I'm not sure NOH would be down with it.... but who knows?
Another option would be to leave Ariza out of the trade.
TO TORONTO
- Okafor
- top-7 pick
TO NEW ORLEANS
- Amir, JJ, Forbes
- both 2nd round picks (#38 & #56)
- possibly a top-3 protected future 1st round pick*
- a $3.2M TPE would be generated, based on 2012-2013 salaries of the four players involved
* if NO wants another 1st round pick this year, Toronto could look to purchase a mid-late 1st round pick for the typical $3M price
New Orleans
- saves $3.2M next season, $8M the following season and then has to pay $7M the next year for Amir's last season ($4.2M savings total)
- still has one mid-lottery pick
- adds 2 2nd round picks
- adds 1 future 1st round pick (or perhaps another mid-late 1st round pick this year)
- gets 3 rotation players; both Johnsons could be starters
Toronto
- gets veteran C to backup Valanciunas
- gets additional lottery pick (to ideally draft Beal & Marshall)
- preserves about $8M in cap space to go after Batum, Mayo or AK47
- still has the $7M Barbosa TPE to use later (perhaps even for a pre-arranged deal with NO to trade for Ariza's salary as a "thank you")
Toronto Lineup
C: Valanciunas, Okafor, Magloire
PF: Bargnani, Davis, Kleiza
SF: DeRozan, Ariza, Kleiza
SG: Mayo, Beal
PG: Calderon, Marshall, Uzoh
Last edited by CalgaryRapsFan; Tue May 1st, 2012 at 04:37 PM.
I don't kow if I like the idea of essentially dealing two good reserves in JJ and Amir just to get essentially a pick that's potentially 2 spots higher than where we might select- AND have an albatross on our payroll for the next 2 seasons. I know that's the popular idea floating around, but it's giving me an ulcer just worrying about it.
I guess I look at it like this:
1) I average out Okafor & Beal's salaries, and think how good Beal could be long-term, knowing Okafor has value next season as a $14M expiring contract (or just letting him go for cap space just two summers from now)
2) Either Amir/Davis need to go, and I'd rather dump the more expensive option (which is roughly the same as the average salary of Okafor/Beal)
3) I personally don't like JJ and think he's overrated. The thought of being able to add a Batum/Mayo/AK47 to replace him in the starting lineup makes me giddy
4) Forbes is a depth player, destined to be 3rd string SG at best next season, so no big loss
5) 2 2nd round picks aren't that big a deal to give up, especially when your 12-man roster can be filled out with such strong talent
6) I really don't envision this lineup missing the Johnsons or Forbes too much:
Toronto Lineup
C: Valanciunas, Okafor, Magloire
PF: Bargnani, Davis, Kleiza
SF: DeRozan, Ariza, Kleiza
SG: Mayo, Beal
PG: Calderon, Marshall, Uzoh
At this point, you're assuming way too much. You're assuming Beal will be there when the Hornets selection is to be made - which is the biggest cog in all of this.
You're assuming Memphis doesn't pick up the QO for Mayo or that he would want to sign here.
And Demar struggles to play the 3.. especially with his lack of handles..and an inconsistent outside shot.
Too many 'what if's'.
I have a feeling that a lot of people are going to be disappointed coming into next season.
Last edited by MangoKid; Tue May 1st, 2012 at 06:26 PM.
Little tweak to a previous thought , I know its a long shot but I am thinking all parties involved are getting fair share although I am sure some will disagree.
Trade as follows
Toronto gets Okafor , Ariza and B Jennings
New Orleans gets Davis, James Johnson , Kleiza , Calderon and 3 million ( saving them over 16m in 2 season plus large expiring contract for next year , also leaving room and money to resign Eric Gordon)
Milwaukee gets NOH pick #10 , TO Pick #37 , IND Pick #57 plus 2013 1st rounder ( top 3 protected) from TO
Buy # 30 pick from Chicago for Cash
Sign Nic Batum for 6-8M , Sign Diaw with exception @ 4-5m
Draft Marshall with #8 , Darius Miller or Jae Crowder with #30
2012-13 Line up
PG Jennings (3.1m) / Marshall (2.1m) / Uzoh (0.5m)
SG DeRozan (3.3m) / Bayless (4.1m) / Forbes (1.5m)
SF Nic Batum (6-8m) / Ariza (7.2m) / Darius Miller or Jae Crowder (0.9m)
PF Bargnani (10m) / Amir (6m) / Diaw (4-5m)
C Valanciunas (2.8m) / Okafor (13.5m) / Magloire (0.9m)
Last edited by GoHuskies; Wed May 9th, 2012 at 12:23 PM.
While I am intrigued by the notion of taking on the Okafor contract in return for a pick, I am certain of two things.
1. New Orleans would never give up their pick which is currently #4, they may consider their pick which is currently #10.
2. If NO were to consider this type of trade they would only do so if they saved a very large amount of money, so we could not send back much in the way of salaries.
How would we feel about
1. JJ + both seconds for Okafor + #10
Or
2. Amir + JJ + both seconds for Okafor + Ariza + #10
I like #2 better, but I think NO less likely to take it.
I am a proponent of drafting risky upside, so I would look at PJ3 and Lillard (for Marshall lovers I think he's gonna slide to late teens)
Roster would look like
C Val/Okafor/gray or magloire
PF Bargs/Davis/Kleiza
SF Ariza/Jones/Anderson
SG DeRozan/Mid Level Guy (shooter)/Bayless (or S&T shooter)
PG Calderon/Lillard/Bi-annual guy (lock down defender type)
It can be difficult in cases like this to establish another teams price for how they value what they have, but New Orleans seems to be down-playing the value of having a second pick. Here is a recent quote from Monty Williams:
If Williams' thoughts about the draft are shared by the rest of the organization then I could see this type of trade as being a possibility if they are provided with a couple pieces they would like."I don't see this deep draft everybody is talking about," Williams tells The Times-Picayune. "I think there are a few players at the top that are really good that can be good players. But I don't see any Carmelos [Carmelo Anthony] or LeBrons [LeBron James]."
"I don't think you're going to find a Manu Ginobili at 52," Williams said. "The last few weeks I've had a chance to look at all these young guys on tape and I'm not jaded by the hoopla as everybody else is. I think there are good players, but I don't see this deep draft."
Wow, this trade absolutely sucks from the Hornets perspective.
If they need to unload salaries - and we're not talking about Agent Zero or Baron Davis type contracts here - I believe the Hornets will find a taker which will accept a much lower price.
I'd do it in a sec, but NO has a new (loaded) owner & I don't believe he is desperate to save money. The only way he will do a trade is if it improves a team.
The above deal with 2 teams just swapping picks. I'd still do it as JV likely will not be a major contributor for 1-3 years (by then Okafor is don as a Raptor).
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