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Thread: BC: "We will be in a unique position with $12 million in cap space before the draft"

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    The incentive for Philly is the $30 million owed to Iguodala over the next 2 years.
    Maybe, but they don't have to pay anyone for at least two years anyway (Turner and Holiday still on rookie contracts), and it's not like they're dangerously close to the luxury tax threshold. I just don't think the Sixers would consider trading Iggy at this point if it's not an immediate upgrade. But then again, I'm not Rod Thorn, so what do I know?

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    Quote jrdyck wrote: View Post
    Maybe, but they don't have to pay anyone for at least two years anyway (Turner and Holiday still on rookie contracts), and it's not like they're dangerously close to the luxury tax threshold. I just don't think the Sixers would consider trading Iggy at this point if it's not an immediate upgrade. But then again, I'm not Rod Thorn, so what do I know?
    I think that teams like New Orleans (Okafor & Ariza) and Memphis (Gay or even S&T for Mayo to avoid him bolting as FA) are the most likely candidates. NO is in full rebuild, needs to re-sign Gordon and surround him with decent talent and Memphis seems unlikely to be able to afford another $8-10M+ player.

    That's why it's great time to be BC, because he's got options; one way gets an overpaid veteran and perhaps another lottery pick, while the other way potentially gives up the one lottery pick they have to land a stud wing.

    I still don't rule out either multiple deals or even BC purchasing a late 1st round pick. That would enable him to possibly trade away one/multiple 1st round picks and even still potentially keep a lottery pick as well.

    Something like this:

    Before July 1st
    - use TPE & 2 2nd round picks to acquire Ariza and NO's 2nd lottery pick

    After July 1st
    - purchase a mid-late lottery pick from a team like the Lakers who often sell them

    After July 1st
    - trade Amir & JJ & DD & 2 1st round picks (1 lottery, 1 late) to Memphis for Gay

    Net effect:
    - the Raps wind up with Gay (replaces DD) & Ariza (replaces JJ), while clearing up the logjam at PF (Amir)
    - the Raps are left with 1 lottery pick, to target a SG (ie: Beal if lucky or perhaps Lamb) or a backup PG to mentor behind Calderon (ie: Marshall or Lillard)
    - Raps have assets (Ariza, 2013 1st round pick) and exceptions (MLE, etc..) to further add to the roster

    C: Valanciunas, veteran C (could even re-sign Gray to vet minimum)
    PF: Bargnani, Davis, Kleiza
    SF: Gay, Ariza (trade bait), Kleiza
    SG: DP/MLE*, Forbes
    PG: Calderon, DP/MLE*

    * DP = draft pick, MLE = free agent signed with mid-level exception
    Last edited by CalgaryRapsFan; Thu May 3rd, 2012 at 06:08 PM.

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    Quote jrdyck wrote: View Post
    Maybe, but they don't have to pay anyone for at least two years anyway (Turner and Holiday still on rookie contracts), and it's not like they're dangerously close to the luxury tax threshold. I just don't think the Sixers would consider trading Iggy at this point if it's not an immediate upgrade. But then again, I'm not Rod Thorn, so what do I know?
    I think changes are coming in Philly - just a matter of what the change is.

    They have a new owner who is ready to win.
    They have some of the worst attendance in the league.
    They are stuck in purgatory it seems after a promising start this year.
    Maybe with Derrick Rose out they might have a chance to get to the 2nd round of the playoffs.

    I don't know what the answer is but the 76ers remind me of the Raptors a few years ago - good enough to delay their vacation 2 weeks after the regular season. To me that is NBA purgatory.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I think changes are coming in Philly - just a matter of what the change is.

    They have a new owner who is ready to win.
    They have some of the worst attendance in the league.
    They are stuck in purgatory it seems after a promising start this year.
    Maybe with Derrick Rose out they might have a chance to get to the 2nd round of the playoffs.

    I don't know what the answer is but the 76ers remind me of the Raptors a few years ago - good enough to delay their vacation 2 weeks after the regular season. To me that is NBA purgatory.
    I agree that chances are on the way for Philly. Especially if they lose this series to the Bulls(which I think is very possible). In that case I think Iggy would be the first one out. They would easily feature ET and Holiday as the franchises. I think all it would take is ED(who I still believe in and hopes he stays) and are pick.

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    Lately I have been toying with the idea of the Raps taking on Joe Johnson's albatross, but only if Al Horford was coming too.

    Something like:

    Calderon + Bargnani
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    Joe Johnson + Horford

    I know it would weigh the team down for the forseeable future; but with Val on a rookie deal until 2016, it's not that crazy.

    ...ok, maybe it is.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    I'd like him if he could play SF. Given his size and athleticism, I don't see why he couldn't. I think he'd definitely be worth the two Johnsons and our 1st round pick.
    Smith has already proven in the past that he can play the 3 really well.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Smith has already proven in the past that he can play the 3 really well.
    I'd be on board with that, but I think the team needs to move DeRozan if they bring in Smith. There's just too little 3pt shooting with a Val/Bargs/Smoove/DeRoz/Caleron lineup. Bargs has proven inconsistent from deep and Calderon doesn't take enough of 'em.

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    Uhh, now I feel gross for calling DeRozan "Deroz". Douchiness is too great a price for brevity.

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    Quote Thomas A. wrote: View Post
    I'd be on board with that, but I think the team needs to move DeRozan if they bring in Smith. There's just too little 3pt shooting with a Val/Bargs/Smoove/DeRoz/Caleron lineup. Bargs has proven inconsistent from deep and Calderon doesn't take enough of 'em.
    i think that with smith at the 3 dd would have a lot of room on the floor. defenses would have to respect bargs, smith and jose for the long ball even if its inconsistent the shot would have to be respected, opening a lot of room on the floor for slashing and cuts. 1 slasher to the basket a roller to the basket and two big men threats from 15-20 feet is a nice open court.

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    Quote Miekenstien wrote: View Post
    i think that with smith at the 3 dd would have a lot of room on the floor. defenses would have to respect bargs, smith and jose for the long ball even if its inconsistent the shot would have to be respected, opening a lot of room on the floor for slashing and cuts. 1 slasher to the basket a roller to the basket and two big men threats from 15-20 feet is a nice open court.
    Fair point. More important than anything, Smith passes the talent test. The Raptors need elite players, not just good ones.

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    If - and that's a huge if Atlanta agrees to that deal, Colangelo will have to sign Smith long term - and that's a huge if as well. He's an expiring next season. It would look really bad to have Smith just for one season.

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    Trade Amir for Okafor
    Trade Forbes and both 2nd round pick for Mo Williams
    Draft Kendall Marshall

    Valanciunas/Okafor/Gray/Alabi
    Bargnani/Davis/Magloire
    DeRozan/Johnson/Kleiza
    Bayless/Williams/Anderson
    Calderon/Marshall

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    Quote charlesnba23 wrote: View Post
    Trade Amir for Okafor
    Trade Forbes and both 2nd round pick for Mo Williams
    Draft Kendall Marshall

    Valanciunas/Okafor/Gray/Alabi
    Bargnani/Davis/Magloire
    DeRozan/Johnson/Kleiza
    Bayless/Williams/Anderson
    Calderon/Marshall
    So you want to waste cap space on Okafor and Mo Williams? Gross. Both the Hornets and Clippers would take those deals, run and hide. It doesn't make much sense from a Raptors stand point.

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    Why would NO or Clipps make those trades?

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    Mango, those 2 guys would bring stability to a roster fulled with young players. Both are experienced and talented guys, but they are still relatively young. Mo is definitely an upgrade over Forbes, and Okafor is a real C. We need veteran savy, and we need talent. Those players bring both. And I don't think we could get much better without loosing huge parts of our core.

    Hello, NO would do this because Okafor is payed a whole lot of money and he's irrelevant to their team. Clipps would do this because they would get something out of Mo instead of getting nothing or pay him 8,5 M$.
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    Quote Hello wrote: View Post
    Why would NO or Clipps make those trades?
    The question you should be asking is why wouldn't they? They'd be running to the fax machine to process the paper work.

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    Quote charlesnba23 wrote: View Post
    Mango, those 2 guys would bring stability to a roster fulled with young players. Both are experienced and talented guys, but they are still relatively young. Mo is definitely an upgrade over Forbes, and Okafor is a real C. We need veteran savy, and we need talent. Those players bring both. And I don't think we could get much better without loosing huge parts of our core.

    Hello, NO would do this because Okafor is payed a whole lot of money and he's irrelevant to their team. Clipps would do this because they need help inside and they won't get better than Amir via free agency.
    Bro, you just wasted the whole cap space on Okafor who makes 28 million over the next 2 seasons -and Williams - who is scheduled to make 8.5 milion - both to be a backup of all things! I would believe that you would want to spend the money on impact starters.
    You can bring in guys with much better pedigrees to be a veteran presence in the locker room than Okafor and Mo Williams for significantly cheaper.

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    They would not come here only to be locker room/vet presence! They would play, and they would play a big role! All those deals for Gay, Granger, etc... We need to give away our best players to get them. Personally, I would not do those kind of trades.

    You talk about starters, but imagine a bench filled with guys such as Mo, Emeka, JJ, Ed, Kleiza, Kendall Marshall and Aaron Gray. This would be great, IMO. I would prefer to have this bench than to have Gay or Granger with no bench.

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    Quote charlesnba23 wrote: View Post
    They would not come here only to be locker room/vet presence! They would play, and they would play a big role! All those deals for Gay, Granger, etc... We need to give away our best players to get them. Personally, I would not do those kind of trades.

    You talk about starters, but imagine a bench filled with guys such as Mo, Emeka, JJ, Ed, Kleiza, Kendall Marshall and Aaron Gray. This would be great, IMO. I would prefer to have this bench than to have Gay or Granger with no bench.
    Do we have anyone on our team that is a 1st team all NBA player? 2nd team? 3rd team? all-star? Anyone on the all-NBA defensive team? If the answer is no, then no one on this team should be considered 'untouchable' or not be considered in trade discussions.

    You need to give up assets to acquire talent. It's as simple as that. And we need talent - badly. And when I say talent, I don't mean bench players, I mean players that can start and average over 33 minutes a game and make a real difference.

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    Whats the status on CHRIS KAMAN ?

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