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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Imagine if Casey worked similar magic on Gay that he did on Bargnani (I know, I know, it was only 13 games.....).

    Gay has all the tools to be a lock down defender. Imagine Casey harnessing that 'potential'. The crazy thing (to me at least) is Gay only turns 26 in August).
    I like Gay ...and this has been said before...isnt going after Batum really hard be a better strategy to acquire a good wing. This would be cheaper in dollars as well as assets (none or somewhat minimal in a s&t).

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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    I like Gay ...and this has been said before...isnt going after Batum really hard be a better strategy to acquire a good wing. This would be cheaper in dollars as well as assets (none or somewhat minimal in a s&t).
    Gay costs more but he is definitely an established player.

    I really think a team is going to have to offer Batum greater than $12M to make the Blazers blink - and even then they may match.

    Personally, I'd go after Gay prior to July 1st and if unsuccessful take a run at Batum.

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    Quote Jon_Wade wrote: View Post
    How do you propose we,
    1.Win the lottery and get into the top 3
    2.Keep Bargnani, Jonas, Demar and the pick while picking up Josh Smith?
    It would take luck to get into the top 3 or moving of current assets to acquire a top 3 pick from one of the teams that has it.

    If we get a top 3 and pick up Beal then DeMar becomes expendible. Probably would require a 3rd team becasue ATL already has Joe Johnson at the SG, but cap space, Demar and maybe Ed or Amir would be enough to pry Smith away from Atlanta.

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    It would take luck to get into the top 3 or moving of current assets to acquire a top 3 pick from one of the teams that has it.

    If we get a top 3 and pick up Beal then DeMar becomes expendible. Probably would require a 3rd team becasue ATL already has Joe Johnson at the SG, but cap space, Demar and maybe Ed or Amir would be enough to pry Smith away from Atlanta.

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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    It would take luck to get into the top 3 or moving of current assets to acquire a top 3 pick from one of the teams that has it.

    If we get a top 3 and pick up Beal then DeMar becomes expendible. Probably would require a 3rd team becasue ATL already has Joe Johnson at the SG, but cap space, Demar and maybe Ed or Amir would be enough to pry Smith away from Atlanta.
    I personally think that Derozan and Ed or Amir is still not enough, maybe if you throw in 2013 first round pick too although that would be worth having a line-up of:

    Calderon
    Beal
    Smith
    Bargnani
    Valanciunus
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    If it's that easy to acquire young stars then why don't the Raptors have any?

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    Quote Jon_Wade wrote: View Post
    I personally think that Derozan and Ed or Amir is still not enough, maybe if you throw in 2013 first round pick too although that would be worth having a line-up of:

    Calderon
    Beal
    Smith
    Bargnani
    Valanciunus
    Once you start talking about trading away 1st round picks and players like DeRozan, I would much rather target Gay than Smith. Gay is a year younger, more of a pure SF and is under contract for 2 more years than Smith. Plus, from what I've seen and heard about both players, I just prefer Gay as well.

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    one of the gym teachers at my school said that he thinks the Raps should throw a max contract at Harden

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    one of the gym teachers at my school said that he thinks the Raps should throw a max contract at Harden
    To have the cap space to do that the Raptors would need to have a pretty quiet summer. I don't think that is going to be on the agenda for Steffi and BryCo.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Once you start talking about trading away 1st round picks and players like DeRozan, I would much rather target Gay than Smith. Gay is a year younger, more of a pure SF and is under contract for 2 more years than Smith. Plus, from what I've seen and heard about both players, I just prefer Gay as well.
    I don't think anyone will trade for Smith without a contract extension agreed and in place.

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    Just say no to Smith
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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    If it's that easy to acquire young stars then why don't the Raptors have any?
    So no chance of nabbing both Smith and Eric Gorgdon then?

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    one of the gym teachers at my school said that he thinks the Raps should throw a max contract at Harden
    I hope you were able to control yourself and did not laugh at his suggestion; your grade may depend on it!

    Most observers thought the Hawks and Grizzlies were crazy to throw max money to Joe Johnson and Rudy Gay, two players who are substantially better than than James Harden. With a new more punitive CBA in place, I cannot imagine a GM stupid enough to offer James Harden anywhere close to max money.

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    nah he teaches elementary gym. His suggestion is still better than my friends, he thinks we should sign Lin. Harden actually has the potential to be a multiple time all star or maybe even a superstar

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    I don't think anyone will trade for Smith without a contract extension agreed and in place.
    not for anything near what he is worth. i think it would depend on how much he wants out of atlanta.

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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    So no chance of nabbing both Smith and Eric Gorgdon then?
    Slim to none.

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    Quote Hugmenot wrote: View Post
    I hope you were able to control yourself and did not laugh at his suggestion; your grade may depend on it!

    Most observers thought the Hawks and Grizzlies were crazy to throw max money to Joe Johnson and Rudy Gay, two players who are substantially better than than James Harden. With a new more punitive CBA in place, I cannot imagine a GM stupid enough to offer James Harden anywhere close to max money.
    you lost me...how, exactly, are JJ & gay 'substantially' better than harden, right now? what has either done to support that notion?

    all things being equal (by 'all things' i mean $$), is there a GM who would choose either JJ or gay over harden, if they had the choice of all 3? if there was a single player that would actually be deserving of a max (or near max) deal this summer, it's harden.
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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Slim to none.
    two words too many...
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    To have the cap space to do that the Raptors would need to have a pretty quiet summer. I don't think that is going to be on the agenda for Steffi and BryCo.
    gawd, wouldn't that be nice...a 'quiet' summer that resulted in a season starting with harden, JV & the draft pick as the only new pieces of significance.

    could harden be...a PG? he tends to play a playmaker role now anyway, and that's obviously different than being an everyday starting PG. still, he's got an intriguing skillset. i wonder if there is some trepidation amongst the republic re. harden because he plays a position that isn't considered to be one of 'need' for the raptors (SG)?
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    Quote yertu damkule wrote: View Post
    gawd, wouldn't that be nice...a 'quiet' summer that resulted in a season starting with harden, JV & the draft pick as the only new pieces of significance.
    No, you must make as many moves as you can, preferably increasing in complexity in each instance. Colangleo is the ultimate practitioner of the Red Queen Theory - no one runs faster to stay in exactly the same place. Look for more of the same this offseason....

    In any case, I see absolutely no scenario where the Thunder don't keep Harden, so this is moot. As for Harden himself, why the hell would Harden leave a team that looks like it will be a contender for the foreseeable future to come to an organization with its head firmly buried up its ass that will be in tough to make the playoffs in the Eastern Conference for the foreseeable future? For a few million more that will have absolutely zero impact on your lifestyle? Improbable.

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