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    Default Dwane Casey: "We need to add shooters to our roster."

    “I have told Bryan and Ed the skill level and type of players we need,” said Casey.

    “Shooters, that is the one skill. I know you can work with players when you get to this level, but you can’t teach the type of shooting that you like to have with three point shooters, those guys are born. You can work on it to get it a little bit better, but to get where we want to go, you have to have shooters. We need to add shooters to our roster.”

    http://www.hoopsworld.com/are-the-ra...team-next-year
    On changing the roster: “You can work on it to get a little bit better. To get where we want to go, you’re going to need shooters. Again, a guy like DeMar [DeRozan] is going to get better just through repetition. I’m not saying our guys can’t do that. But we need to add shooters and skilled players like that to our roster.

    http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/...ronto-raptors/

    Alright, so Casey has made it clear he wants 25-28 year old shooters added to the roster. Lets be flexible on the age and look at what is out there in free agency (I drew the cut off at .345, no reason why, just did):

    PLAYER (age next season) - 3pt attempts/3pt made - percentage

    Steve Novak (29)- 2.5/5.2 - .472

    Ersan Ilyasova (25)- .9/1.9 - .455

    Ray Allen (37) - 2.3/5.1 - .453

    Brandon Rush (27) - 1.5/3.4 - .452

    Willie Green (31) - .9 /2.1 .442

    Danny Green (25) - 1.5/3.5 - .436

    Gary Neal (28) - 1.5/3.5 - .419

    Chase Budinger (24) - 1.5 /3.8 - .402

    Courtney Lee (27) - 1.5/3.7 - .401

    Ryan Anderson (24) - 2.7/6.9 - .393

    Nicolas Batum (24) - 1.8/4.6 - .391

    Leandro Barbosa (30) - 1.0/2.7 - .382

    Jason Terry (35) - 2.2/5.8 - .378

    Marco Belinelli (26) - 1.6/4.3 - .377

    Vladimir Radmanovic (32) - 1.0/2.8 - .370

    George Hill (26) - 1.1/2.9 - .367

    Jodie Meeks (25) - 1.5/4.0 - .365

    Nate Robinson (28) - 1.3/3.5 - .365

    Nick Young (27) - 1.7/4.5 - .365

    O.J. Mayo (25) - 1.5/4.2 - .364

    Louis Williams (26) - 1.3/3.6 - .362

    Carlos Delfino (30) - 1.6/4.4 - .360

    J.R. Smith (27) - 1.9/5.5 - .347

    Kirk Hinrich (31) - 1.0/2.8 - .346


    What might be available via trade based on rumours:

    PLAYER (age next season) - 3pt attempts/3pt made - percentage

    Jordan Farmar (28) - 1.4/3.2 - .440

    Kyle Korver (31) - 1.8/4.2 - .435

    Ben Gordon (28) - 1.2/2.8 - .429

    JJ Redick (28) - 1.7/4.1 - .418

    Marvin Williams - (26) - 1.0/2.6 - .389

    Randy Foye (29) - 2.0/5.1 - .386

    Wesley Matthews (26) - 2.0/5.1 - .383

    Jameer Nelson (30) - 1.5/4.1 - .377

    Anthony Morrow (27) - 1.7/4.6 - .371

    Devin Harris (29) - 1.2/3.4 - .362

    Dorell Wright (27) - 1.7/4.8 - .360

    Kevin Martin (28) - 2.0/5.6 - .347



    Who do you think fits Toronto?

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    Via free agency, I'd look at:

    Steve Novak (29)- 2.5/5.2 - .472
    Ersan Ilyasova (25)- .9/1.9 - .455
    Danny Green (25) - 1.5/3.5 - .436
    Courtney Lee (27) - 1.5/3.7 - .401
    Nicolas Batum (24) - 1.8/4.6 - .391
    Leandro Barbosa (30) - 1.0/2.7 - .382
    O.J. Mayo (25) - 1.5/4.2 - .364
    Kirk Hinrich (31) - 1.0/2.8 - .346

    Danny Green is the guy I think the Raptors will be looking at HARD.


    Via trade, I'd look at:

    Ben Gordon (28) - 1.2/2.8 - .429
    JJ Redick (28) - 1.7/4.1 - .418
    Marvin Williams - (26) - 1.0/2.6 - .389
    Wesley Matthews (26) - 2.0/5.1 - .383
    Dorell Wright (27) - 1.7/4.8 - .360
    Kevin Martin (28) - 2.0/5.6 - .347


    Some of the guys via trade would have to have other young players or picks coming along with them. They might not be reasonable or feasible.

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    Was mentioned in another thread, but Brandon Rush. He's a good defender too.
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    With Chandler Parsons coming through, I would look at Chase Budinger.

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    I'll have some orange juice with a side of mayo please.

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    OJ Mayo needs to be the guy. He brings play making ability as well.

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    I really like Danny Green. Look at what he's done with the Spurs this year, starting 38 of the 66 games he played. More than 9 points per game on a 1st seed, that's pretty decent. I like him since he was a Tar Heel.

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    I'm up for getting Morrow, Reddick, Lee, Matthews, Batum or Mayo. Getting Batum would kill two birds with one stone, getting a legit SF and a three point shooter. Maybe we could add Jeremy Lamb to the mix as well. I think this team would make huge progress this those two additions.

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    Outside of the age thing, you know who's a fantastic shooter?

    Steve Nash

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    OJ Mayo needs to be the guy. He brings play making ability as well.
    And fantastic defensive skills.

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    In no way mean to discourage you from all the hard work you have done but imo it is more complex than percentages. Bargnani came into the league with good 3 shooting and with lots of work over the summer can hit some good numbers - Calderon with work can do the same. The problem is that they are volume shooters. You not only need to know how well players shoot but how timely their shots were to truly rate them. Don't see J. Kidd on the list but would consider him because he has timely shooting (the key component) that answers runs and can win close games. I have said the same as DC about having to come into the league as a good shooter....., but glad to see the faithful taking it more seriously from him.
    With two exceptional three point shooters, Bargnani 50% volume three pointers and DD shooting better, this is going to be a Raptors team like we have never seen before!!

    Keep in mind that this was a poor shooting year for a lot of players. The numbers might be skewed because of the shortened season where some players were slow to get on track!

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    Quote Draft wrote: View Post
    In no way mean to discourage you from all the hard work you have done but imo it is more complex than percentages. Bargnani came into the league with good 3 shooting and with lots of work over the summer can hit some good numbers - Calderon with work can do the same. The problem is that they are volume shooters. You not only need to know how well players shoot but how timely their shots were to truly rate them. Don't see J. Kidd on the list but would consider him because he has timely shooting (the key component) that answers runs and can win close games. I have said the same as DC about having to come into the league as a good shooter....., but glad to see the faithful taking it more seriously from him.
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    Well, if you want to be taken as seriously, you shouldn't propose Kidd at the same time as saying that good shooters have to come info the league as good shooters. Regardless of what you think of hij now as a shooter, when he came in the leaugue he did not exactly do so as a shooter...

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    Quote Soft Euro wrote: View Post
    Well, if you want to be taken as seriously, you shouldn't propose Kidd at the same time as saying that good shooters have to come info the league as good shooters. Regardless of what you think of hij now as a shooter, when he came in the leaugue he did not exactly do so as a shooter...
    Thought he was a good example because even as a poor shooter he still had the ability to stick timely shots. Kind of highlights that they are two distinctly different skill. Though, it's more common in good shooters, highest shooting percentage isn't everything.

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    Quote Draft wrote: View Post
    In no way mean to discourage you from all the hard work you have done but imo it is more complex than percentages. Bargnani came into the league with good 3 shooting and with lots of work over the summer can hit some good numbers - Calderon with work can do the same. The problem is that they are volume shooters. You not only need to know how well players shoot but how timely their shots were to truly rate them. Don't see J. Kidd on the list but would consider him because he has timely shooting (the key component) that answers runs and can win close games. I have said the same as DC about having to come into the league as a good shooter....., but glad to see the faithful taking it more seriously from him.
    With two exceptional three point shooters, Bargnani 50% volume three pointers and DD shooting better, this is going to be a Raptors team like we have never seen before!!

    Keep in mind that this was a poor shooting year for a lot of players. The numbers might be skewed because of the shortened season where some players were slow to get on track!
    I went through the top 122 players at NBA.com.

    Free agents are listed.

    Guys available (possibly) via trade are listed.

    A lot of guys are left out from the top 122 - especially with the .345 cut off - due to unavailability.

    Also, no draft picks are listed as the Raptors have the 2 second rounders (John Jenkins?).

    For players currently in the league, I'd like to think it is a comprehensive list. I might of missed a couple of players but not many do I think.

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    Gary Neal, Gary, Neal, Gary Neal....

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    ...Don't see J. Kidd on the list but would consider him because he has timely shooting (the key component) that answers runs and can win close games. ...
    All respect to Mr. Kidd, but he doesn't draw double teams. Casey said "...you have to have shooters.." That implies players who are recognized as shooters. One thing that happens when a team has shooters is that the other players are freed up. Raps don't have players that can create on the floor, so they need to find other ways to get their shots. Bargs is a great example. He is a shooter, so his quick pump fakes lead to trips to the line when opponents commit on them, or a drive to the basket as he goes around. But DD has has problems driving because players can collapse when he makes his move to the basket. Calderon has trouble getting his shot off, because they can afford to play him straight up, with his floor speed. Same thing for JJ (with his skill set he gets to the rim far less often than he should). A lot of the problems come form static offence. But you aren't going to have a fluid offence unless you move the ball AND YOUR OPPONENTS FOLLOW THE MOVEMENT. Which they would have to if the ball wound up in the hands of a high % shooter.

    Remember when Bosh was here? Everything was easier because he was consistently double teamed.

    That's why the Raptors need shooters. They bring in one or two shooters, and suddenly Caderon and DeRozan will become shooters too, because more shots (or lanes) will open up for them.

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    i expected more love for ilyasova to be honest...

    OJ
    Ilyasova
    Green

    all pretty much no brainers...

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    Outside of the age thing, you know who's a fantastic shooter?

    Steve Nash

    Funny you should mention that

    Via Hoopshype:

    All indications in Phoenix are the Suns will make Steve Nash a limited offer and he’ll move on. It makes sense as the Suns will have $23 million in salary cap room and they’ve gone as far as they can go. The Suns were always a player destination, and this will test whether they still are under the frugal Robert Sarver management. Many believe Nash instead of chasing a title with a contender for a lesser salary will go back to Canada and the Raptors for a three-year deal and help bring their young players along.

    Jay Triano finally earning his wage?

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    Does "shooter" necessarily mean 3 point shooter? I think we (equally) need a guy who can just spot up jumpers and those who can create their own shot. I think these 3 go hand in hand. Though I guess there's no stat that shows guys who are good at those other two..
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