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    Quote BallaBalla wrote: View Post
    Really? Then I guess I was wrong in using that as an example, but come to think of it, % is not really what we should be concerned about as much as the timeliness of the shot being made. I guess I thought that bargnani was shooting a higher % because he made so many meaningful shots at the beginning of the year.
    Clutch is a good point. Some guys shy away from taking the big shot - I do not think Bargnani is one of them.

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    Typically the clutch shooter is the best guy on the team.. however one guy that seems to always have huge clutch stats is Lou Williams. He doesn't play a lick of defense, but I'd take a shot at him to be our 6th man.

    Jason Terry is another guy with some pretty good clutch stats - especially in the playoffs. Although his age worries me.

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    Typically the clutch shooter is the best guy on the team.. however one guy that seems to always have huge clutch stats is Lou Williams. He doesn't play a lick of defense, but I'd take a shot at him to be our 6th man.

    Jason Terry is another guy with some pretty good clutch stats - especially in the playoffs. Although his age worries me.
    The problem is things like clutch stats don't really help so much (see kobe's clutch stats). No matter what the media says, it's not about having one guy who can make the shot all the time. It's about having a bunch of guys who can make the shots throughout the game, and having someone who can facilitate those shots. Look at guys like Robert Horry, Steve Kerr, Paxson, Posey, etc. All of these guys made the shot at the right time. I think that's what we're lacking, not necessarily good shooters (although I understand that a good shooter will more likely make the shot than a bad one, but you see what I mean).

    Back to the topic, if we go out and get redick, he is just as capable as klieza as making that one shot when he's open. How much more are we going to gain if he takes the shot rather than Jose or Bargs? That's why we need guys like Batum who are good in many facets of the game and can also shoot.

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    Quote BallaBalla wrote: View Post
    The problem is things like clutch stats don't really help so much (see kobe's clutch stats). No matter what the media says, it's not about having one guy who can make the shot all the time. It's about having a bunch of guys who can make the shots throughout the game, and having someone who can facilitate those shots. Look at guys like Robert Horry, Steve Kerr, Paxson, Posey, etc. All of these guys made the shot at the right time. I think that's what we're lacking, not necessarily good shooters (although I understand that a good shooter will more likely make the shot than a bad one, but you see what I mean).

    Back to the topic, if we go out and get redick, he is just as capable as klieza as making that one shot when he's open. How much more are we going to gain if he takes the shot rather than Jose or Bargs? That's why we need guys like Batum who are good in many facets of the game and can also shoot.
    The thing is, guys like Batum (multi-faceted players) come at a much steeper asking price, than say a 3 point specialist like Reddick.
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    man i'd be all over lou williams. kid is a pure microwave. when he gets going no one can check him.
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    He's sort of a tweener though. Do they really want to pay six or seven million for a guy destined to be a sixth man? I also fear the dreaded contract year affect. I think there are better value options on the market.

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    I'd rather Barbosa back than Williams. Barbosa is loved by all on roster and would come cheaper than Williams.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I'd rather Barbosa back than Williams. Barbosa is loved by all on roster and would come cheaper than Williams.
    Agree 100%
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I'd rather Barbosa back than Williams. Barbosa is loved by all on roster and would come cheaper than Williams.
    Good point and for that matter it would be even cheaper to bring back Bayless if they feel he will continue to grow and meet a yearly amount of $4M/yr. I personally would rather seem them pass on all three for their price tags(assuming Bayless will only come back for his qualifying price)

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    I want to sign Novak for the Colangelo, Lulz. Kapono redux part 2.
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    man i'd be all over lou williams. kid is a pure microwave. when he gets going no one can check him.
    Basically a skinnier Jay Bay. When the Hitman gets goin ain't no one can guard him

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    The thing is, guys like Batum (multi-faceted players) come at a much steeper asking price, than say a 3 point specialist like Reddick.
    True, but if we need to player, let's get the player. I could argue that we could trade the entire starting lineup for LBJ and we would be a better team. I know being a GM is complicated, but if you find a player that you need, you need to get him, because your team will be better. Basketball is pretty easy to read that way for the most part, unlike any other sport where there is a lot of luck/streakiness involved.

    For example, if we get Reddick for a "good price", we know what we have, and that's a guy whose not going to be a difference maker. At the same time, if we made a push for Batum at slightly more expensive, we have a guy who can do a bunch of things, and is getting better. We have to get players like that no matter the cost if we want to win

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    i agree. just pay the man.
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    Quote BallaBalla wrote: View Post
    True, but if we need to player, let's get the player. I could argue that we could trade the entire starting lineup for LBJ and we would be a better team. I know being a GM is complicated, but if you find a player that you need, you need to get him, because your team will be better. Basketball is pretty easy to read that way for the most part, unlike any other sport where there is a lot of luck/streakiness involved.

    For example, if we get Reddick for a "good price", we know what we have, and that's a guy whose not going to be a difference maker. At the same time, if we made a push for Batum at slightly more expensive, we have a guy who can do a bunch of things, and is getting better. We have to get players like that no matter the cost if we want to win
    I was speaking more so from a cap perspective. I agree that ownership needs to open up their wallets. But if we use all our cap space on 1 player, then addressing other areas of need becomes a little tougher.

    I'm not suggesting passing on Batum. I'm just presenting the "cons" to go along with the "pros".
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    Quote matt52 wrote: View Post
    via free agency, i'd look at:

    Steve novak (29)- 2.5/5.2 - .472
    ersan ilyasova (25)- .9/1.9 - .455
    danny green (25) - 1.5/3.5 - .436
    courtney lee (27) - 1.5/3.7 - .401
    nicolas batum (24) - 1.8/4.6 - .391
    leandro barbosa (30) - 1.0/2.7 - .382
    o.j. Mayo (25) - 1.5/4.2 - .364
    kirk hinrich (31) - 1.0/2.8 - .346

    danny green is the guy i think the raptors will be looking at hard.


    Via trade, i'd look at:

    Ben gordon (28) - 1.2/2.8 - .429
    jj redick (28) - 1.7/4.1 - .418
    marvin williams - (26) - 1.0/2.6 - .389
    wesley matthews (26) - 2.0/5.1 - .383
    dorell wright (27) - 1.7/4.8 - .360
    kevin martin (28) - 2.0/5.6 - .347


    some of the guys via trade would have to have other young players or picks coming along with them. They might not be reasonable or feasible.
    ersan ilyasova - harder than hard.
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    Ersan Ilyasova, Steve Novak, and O.J Mayo really catch my eye.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I'd rather Barbosa back than Williams. Barbosa is loved by all on roster and would come cheaper than Williams.
    +1

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    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    Ersan Ilyasova, Steve Novak, and O.J Mayo really catch my eye.
    I threw Steve Novak in but he really is a situational player in my opinion worth no more than $2M per year (basically the bi-annual exception).

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    Someone from the Spurs. They can all shoot. lol

    In all seriousness, I wouldn't want the Raptors to just bring in 3 point specialists. They at least need to have some other dimension the team can work with.

    George Hill, Randy Foye, Patty Mills, J.J Redick, Alan Anderson, James Anderson, Brandon Rush, Danny Green, & Anthony Parker are some options.

    Maybe the Spurs comment was a little accurate, now that I think about it.
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    Marvin Williams is someone the Raptors could definitely get and may be the type of player Colangelo is targeting with our extra cap space. We could trade the Barbosa TPE for Marvin straight up, and probably get them to send us their first round pick next year (they have to keep this years) for taking on Marvins contract. Atlanta desperately needs to clear cap in order to try and resign Josh Smith, and outside of Joe Johnson, Marvin has the worst contract on the team. Marvin is one of the best defenders at SF in the league, and he is also an excellent shooter. While I don't think he will play up to his full contract value, he would be a solid starter on the Raptors squad, and he is actually get-able, unlike a lot of the guys that are being thrown around. Marvin is also still fairly young and I think his growth as a player was stunted by the horrible coaching in Atlanta (Woodson and Drews are both awful). He could blossom a bit in Toronto, especially if we get Nash as well. The goal for next season is the playoffs, and this definitely looks like a playoff team to me.

    PG: Nash, (Marshall/Lillard/Bayless?)
    SG: Derozan (Barbosa?/Beal/Lamb?)
    SF: Williams, Johnson, Kleiza
    PF: Bargnani, Davis, Amir
    C: Jonas, Gray, Alabi

    The team also maintains good cap flexibility in this scenario. It's not ideal but it is realistic.

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