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    Default Everything Wince

    This interview was posted in the Free Agency thread by KingMaxwell, but I wanted to shine a little more light on it, as he makes some great quotes throughout the interview.

    Catching Up With Vince Carter

    On possibly signing with the Raptors:
    Quote Vince Carter wrote:
    Of course it’s something that I would definitely consider. And it’s something in the free agency this year, once everything was worked out with Phoenix and I was a free agent, that was a question I was asked by my family and by my agent. He’s like ‘what if?’ and I was like, ‘hey, definitely, we’ll hear what they have to say.’ So I never rule it out.
    Initially reflecting on his time with the Raptors:
    Quote Vince Carter wrote:
    It’s where it all started for me, my opportunity. Glen Grunwald, Butch Carter gave me the opportunity. I remember day one, Butch Carter comes to me and says ‘Vince, we’re gonna show the world what you’re made of, who you are and what you’re about.’ Day two, Charles Oakley puts his arm around me and says ‘Hey, I’m gonna show you the ropes.’ And from there I felt comfortable. It was a young kid coming to a new city, just growing up in front of millions of people. It was just an unbelievable experience. You’re going to go through ups and downs in your life, in your career, that we all go through. That’s understood. But they were all worth it, because it adds character. It was just phenomenal. You can learn. Eight years removed from it, you’ve seen so many things happen to other players, and you can kind of really enlighten them if ever asked. It’s been a wonderful ride. It’s just hard to believe it’s been 14 years now, and I’m still playing the game I love.
    On the perception that Toronto is a bad city to play in:
    Quote Vince Carter wrote:
    Toronto is one of the best kept secrets, and that was one of the tough things about convincing other players to come play for the Raptors at the time is that they didn’t know. And that was one of the things I was trying to push at the time with the NBA, along with the fans and the organization, help Toronto gain recognition and put us on the map. Let the world see who we are and what we’re about and what the city of Toronto is about. I can speak on behalf of some of my friends, basketball fans, when they come to Toronto, they fall in love with it. They say ‘Oh man, I love Toronto, I love Toronto.’ It’s just that on a national level, it wasn’t known and it didn’t gain that recognition. We had some pretty good teams, but we had to get into the playoffs to be recognized. And it was just tough. And that was one of the things I talked about when people said ‘your team is underrated.’ I used to say ‘hey, give us a shot. Let us put Toronto and Canada on the map. Let us be seen.’ It’s unfortunate. It has happened, but it just hasn’t happened consistently. And I still think the younger players in the league now have no idea how great Canada is.
    On whether he hopes to one day be Accepted by Raptors Fans:
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    Yeah, of course you hope for it. You know, that’s where I started. I have so many memories. Like with the questions you’ve asked, it’s brought chills because you just think back to where it started. I was able to play in a time in this city where it was, it wasn’t known, it wasn’t a popular place to be. But at the same time, there was love. When we were able to beat the Knicks for that first playoff win, I recalled making the first basket in the Air Canada Centre. That’s something that I’ll never ever forget. So I do hope for it because every time I walk in there now and I look up there, I just say, ‘Hey man, I made history here.’ You know? I won Rookie of the Year here. I won the slam dunk contest representing Toronto. That’s never been done. I have plenty of memories and you definitely hope for it.

    What do you say guys? Water under the bridge? C'moon. C'mooooon!
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    Default A trip down memory lane

    He gets what he deserves and what he deserves was determined by his actions. This many people can't be wrong and as far as I know he never apologized to the city for publicly demanding a trade and killing any leverage the club could have used to move him for as close to worth a possible. He achieved this by tanking games and faking an injury. There were even reports after one game that he told the opposing team what they were about to run in the closing minute of a close game. His actions destroyed the team for years to come. He showed a lack of professionalism, honor and integrity and for that he deserves to be heckled for as long as people feel its warranted.

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    Strength in numbers, yes. More truth in numbers, no.

    He'll get an ovation, his last game at the acc. But, until then the boos should come louder than ever.

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    I can't do it.

    He is cut from the same cloth as Carmelo Anthony in my opinion. He admittedly quit on his team and forced his way out. I can't cheer for a quitter. If he forced his way out while continuing to play hard that would be a different story but he didn't so I can't cheer for him under any circumstances..... except maybe if he donated me a kidney but then I'd cheer him as a person and not a basketball player. I'd still boo him in Toronto as long as he was wearing a basketball jersey.

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    Quote LBF wrote: View Post
    Strength in numbers, yes. More truth in numbers, no.

    He'll get an ovation, his last game at the acc. But, until then the boos should come louder than ever.
    Alright, well truth in facts and the numbers support the reality of what transpired.

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    If you asked me this question earlier in the year I probably would have said Yes.. but after thinking about it some more, I'm going to have to say No.

    ... and here are 10 reasons why:


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    I absolutely love Vince. He was my childhood hero, the first player who's name I ever knew, the first three jerseys I ever owned were his, and even after he was traded, he was my favourite player. He's the reason I ever got into basketball, and I'm sure a lot of Canadians will agree. I'm sure if you ask Tristan Thompson, Cory Joseph, and Myck Kabongo who their favourite player was growing up, they'd say Vince. Hell, Kevin Durant was a Raptors fan while growing up in D.C. because of Vince. When I found out Vince was traded I practically balled my eyes out. I don't think I was old enough to understand the implications at the time, so I may be biased, but I think he is the greatest Raptor ever, and I will never boo him.

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    If you asked me this question earlier in the year I probably would have said Yes.. but after thinking about it some more, I'm going to have to say No.

    ... and here are 10 reasons why:

    Motherf*cker.... he can keep the kidney. I'd rather die. (just joking and I know organ transplants is probably not great joke material).


    Regarding Vince Carter, as Johnny Cash said at the end of A Boy Named Sue: "I still hate that name!"

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    He gets what he deserves and what he deserves was determined by his actions. This many people can't be wrong and as far as I know he never apologized to the city for publicly demanding a trade and killing any leverage the club could have used to move him for as close to worth a possible. He achieved this by tanking games and faking an injury. There were even reports after one game that he told the opposing team what they were about to run in the closing minute of a close game. His actions destroyed the team for years to come. He showed a lack of professionalism, honor and integrity and for that he deserves to be heckled for as long as people feel its warranted.
    +1
    my sentiment exactly

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    Hopefully you're not Dutch.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    He gets what he deserves and what he deserves was determined by his actions. This many people can't be wrong and as far as I know he never apologized to the city for publicly demanding a trade and killing any leverage the club could have used to move him for as close to worth a possible. He achieved this by tanking games and faking an injury. There were even reports after one game that he told the opposing team what they were about to run in the closing minute of a close game. His actions destroyed the team for years to come. He showed a lack of professionalism, honor and integrity and for that he deserves to be heckled for as long as people feel its warranted.
    Yep.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Alright, well truth in facts and the numbers support the reality of what transpired.
    Sure.

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    I feel I am starting to forgive him. I feel his career was cursed after the Raps and never achieved a championship or success after he left. KNowing that, I think we should come to terms with each other. I was one of his biggest haters, but if he is man enough to give Toronto props, he started this whole thing, so maybe I can man up and forgive.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    He showed a lack of professionalism, honor and integrity and for that he deserves to be heckled for as long as people feel its warranted.
    But I guess thats my question; how long is truly warranted? While keeping in mind everything he did do for this franchise.
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    And why don't more people blame Babcock for the horrible return we got for Vince?
    Vince didn't trade himself. He didn't set up the deal. He didn't pick who we got for him.

    He was still Vince Carter, and any sufficiently capable GM should have been able to net a much better return.
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    Quote KingMaxwell47 wrote: View Post
    I absolutely love Vince. He was my childhood hero, the first player who's name I ever knew, the first three jerseys I ever owned were his, and even after he was traded, he was my favourite player. He's the reason I ever got into basketball, and I'm sure a lot of Canadians will agree. I'm sure if you ask Tristan Thompson, Cory Joseph, and Myck Kabongo who their favourite player was growing up, they'd say Vince. Hell, Kevin Durant was a Raptors fan while growing up in D.C. because of Vince. When I found out Vince was traded I practically balled my eyes out. I don't think I was old enough to understand the implications at the time, so I may be biased, but I think he is the greatest Raptor ever, and I will never boo him.
    I'm with you Max.
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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    And why don't more people blame Babcock for the horrible return we got for Vince?
    Vince didn't trade himself. He didn't set up the deal. He didn't pick who we got for him.

    He was still Vince Carter, and any sufficiently capable GM should have been able to net a much better return.
    i wouldnt let bobcock back either

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    If you asked me this question earlier in the year I probably would have said Yes.. but after thinking about it some more, I'm going to have to say No.

    ... and here are 10 reasons why:


    This.



    Fuck Wince.

    That is all.

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    I used to boo him, but now I don't really care what he did. In all honesty he was the 1 thing that put T dot & Canada on the map for basketball fans. If he didn't do what he did who knows, we could've lost our team like Van City. He was my favorite player growing up, i think i might have even shed a tear when i saw what he did in the slam dunk competition.... That was and still is one of the best moments in NBA history. Yeah there's a lot we can bitch about, but guys you can't deny when it was good... and the Raptors were rolling.... nothing was better, I thank him for that to this day. I wish he put more effort into his career though, he could of been one of the elite...but he never quite got there...I don't really care about you guys but i forgave him a long time ago, he's only human...

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    And why don't more people blame Babcock for the horrible return we got for Vince?
    Vince didn't trade himself. He didn't set up the deal. He didn't pick who we got for him.

    He was still Vince Carter, and any sufficiently capable GM should have been able to net a much better return.
    He quit playing.

    He made it well known he wanted out.

    Every time he touched the floor or anyone can in his personal space the reaction was one you'd expect from a shotgun blast.

    The return in the circumstances was never going to be close to fair value but I do agree Babcock did a horrible, horrible job on that trade. However that is trumped by the fact Carter intentionally destroyed his return to Toronto.

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