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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    So now people want over $20 million invested into the PG spot. That's 35% of the salary cap on two guys who play the same position. Let's think about that.
    Yeah, but there would be time that we could have both of them on the floor...

    Hahahahahahahahahahah...sorry I tried to write that with a straight face.

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    Quote Gman wrote: View Post
    Yeah, but there would be time that we could have both of them on the floor...

    Hahahahahahahahahahah...sorry I tried to write that with a straight face.
    Just to play devil's advocate, it's possible both could be on the roster together (with the intention of trading Calderon before the deadline).

    But having both Nash and Calderon makes little sense from a basketball/future-outlook perspective.
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    If Nash is coming I think Calderon doesn't last past July. Such a change might guarantee Bayless comes back though.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Just to play devil's advocate, it's possible both could be on the roster together (with the intention of trading Calderon before the deadline).

    But having both Nash and Calderon makes little sense from a basketball/future-outlook perspective.
    I was indicating having both of them on the floor at the same time. Which would create the worst defence a back court has ever seen since there was an affirmative action game between the Harlem Globetrotters and the CNIB.

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    Whether it be Nash or Jose, the Raptors would still have to find the successor at the PG spot since I do not foresee either one being a capable starting point guard in around 3 years time.

    It's either or for me, really. But not both.

    Has anyone else wondered why Jose was played far more this year than a younger Bayless (who happens to be in his contract year and has showed big numbers when given minutes) in a year when we are "building"?

    My theory is to drive down his value so they could resign him at a fair price then unleash him next year.
    calderon is a better PG thats why he gets the majority of the minutes... besides Bayless was injured quite a bit this year aswell.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    So now people want over $20 million invested into the PG spot. That's 35% of the salary cap on two guys who play the same position. Let's think about that.
    i kind of remember when the new CBA was signed, wasnt there a clause in there were a team could lower the cap hit on a player by adding years to his contract... example.. jose is 10mill for 1 season..or he could be 5mill for 2 seasons... if the clause is as described why not just do that with Jose.. hes deff. worth 5mill & that is an ok amount for a backup

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    Quote DoNDaDDa wrote: View Post
    i kind of remember when the new CBA was signed, wasnt there a clause in there were a team could lower the cap hit on a player by adding years to his contract... example.. jose is 10mill for 1 season..or he could be 5mill for 2 seasons... if the clause is as described why not just do that with Jose.. hes deff. worth 5mill & that is an ok amount for a backup
    It doesn't work like that.

    Any player signed after July 1st, 2011 i.e. after the lockout, can be waived spreading the cap hit out.

    Pretending the stretch was permitted on Jose you would cut him and instead of taking a one year $10M cap hit, you'd take a 3 year cap hit of $3.33M each season (double number of season plus 1) for next 3 years.

    Remember though, it can't be used on Jose.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    It doesn't work like that.

    Any player signed after July 1st, 2011 i.e. after the lockout, can be waived spreading the cap hit out.

    Pretending the stretch was permitted on Jose you would cut him and instead of taking a one year $10M cap hit, you'd take a 3 year cap hit of $3.33M each season (double number of season plus 1) for next 3 years.

    Remember though, it can't be used on Jose.
    thanks for clearing that up for me.. figured it was too good to be true...LOL jose at 5mill would be sweet though

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    Quote DoNDaDDa wrote: View Post
    thanks for clearing that up for me.. figured it was too good to be true...LOL jose at 5mill would be sweet though
    No problem.

    Jose at $5M would be very sweet.

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    Jerryd Bayless has tremendous upside i hope he stays. When he gets it rolling he is extremely fun to watch, he's got that fire and killer instinct that i love to see.

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    he's functionally retarded
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    he's functionally retarded
    i really don't know where the hell you get that from. Listen to him talk, compared to many NBA players he sounds like a genius that has a fucking MBA, Masters degree whatever you name it.

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    Quote Papa Burgundy wrote: View Post
    I really like the idea ... plus, they'd both be injury protection for each other - so we'd never suffer a huge falloff in talent.
    -The issue is, having $20M this year devoted to PG's means you better find an upgrade at the SF for pretty cheap.
    im thinking lamar odom at SF. hes at an all time low and if you offer 2 years 5 mil first year with a player option the second year around 6-7?

    he can play SF and brings championship experience. maybe jamal crawford at the 2 and slide derozan to 3? casey did want him to bulk up this summer. again 2 years with a player option. then theres always the draft!

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    Quote jpisadummy wrote: View Post
    im thinking lamar odom at SF. hes at an all time low and if you offer 2 years 5 mil first year with a player option the second year around 6-7?

    he can play SF and brings championship experience. maybe jamal crawford at the 2 and slide derozan to 3? casey did want him to bulk up this summer. again 2 years with a player option. then theres always the draft!
    i meant odom was all time low value wise, and i think he just had an off year and it screwed with his head. Hopefully if you get him in good shape he'll have a breakout year. Im sure if we signed nash, it would intice him to sign on.

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    Quote jpisadummy wrote: View Post
    i meant odom was all time low value wise, and i think he just had an off year and it screwed with his head. Hopefully if you get him in good shape he'll have a breakout year. Im sure if we signed nash, it would intice him to sign on.
    i think Odom recently came out & said hes not playing at all next season because he has severe problems with alcoholism & depression..
    i wouldnt take him even at a vet min. at this point.

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    Quote DoNDaDDa wrote: View Post
    i think Odom recently came out & said hes not playing at all next season because he has severe problems with alcoholism & depression..
    i wouldnt take him even at a vet min. at this point.
    did not know that...wow def not a good year for the guy.

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    Quote DoNDaDDa wrote: View Post
    i think Odom recently came out & said hes not playing at all next season because he has severe problems with alcoholism & depression..
    i wouldnt take him even at a vet min. at this point.
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    he's functionally retarded
    If there is anyone on the Raptors who merits that distinction, it has to be Ed Davis.

    The man cannot do anything with his right hand.

    Although I give him some credit. He is skilled with his left ... just lacks balance, big time. It's two complete opposite players when he switches hands.
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    Dondadda, I think that it's Oden that said those things, not Odom... And that's not why he won't play, that's because he wants to get back to 100% in 2013.

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    Quote charlesnba23 wrote: View Post
    Dondadda, I think that it's Oden that said those things, not Odom... And that's not why he won't play, that's because he wants to get back to 100% in 2013.
    Not sure how reliable the source is, but it does appear that we're talking about Lamar Odom (not Greg Oden).

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