Does Cuban's Tactics Tarnish the Mavs Championship?

[Apollo]

You can call b.s. all you want. This is all spin tactics by Cuban. Are you going to believe everything you read in a paper? Yeah, the CBA penalizes heavily on teams in the future who spend but mark my words, Cuban will be a top spender again in no time. Cuban is an excellent politician, all the successful business men are. Go ahead and take him at face value if you want but I don't buy it. I can think for myself thank you. My bullshit detector was personally calibrate... And not to the specifications of Mark Cuban's "stated" opinion.

[Hugmenot]

The Mavs aren't showing financial responsibility. They're showing a cap cutting initiative to go out and land a star player. They'll be back to overspending shortly. Who are we kidding here, look at Cuban's track record. The man will spend whatever he wants as long as he feel it gives him an edge. We're not talking about a corporation trying to make a profit. We're talking about a billionaire who does this as a hobby because he really enjoys basketball. He makes his money elsewhere.

Is Tyson Chandler a superstar? Not in my book. If he had matched the Chandler, Butler, and Barea offers, would the Mavericks be able to offer max offer to Deron Williams this Summer? No.

When Lamar Odom was acquired, did it increase the Mavericks chance to win the championship? Yes.

What I hear you saying is Cuban should have gone all-in to try to repeat, regardless of whether if would remove all flexibility for the next few years.

What I am saying is Cuban gave his team a (lesser) chance of repeating while preserving flexibility to significantly improve his team the following Summer.

You appear to disapprove of his actions, I am in the opposite camp. We'll agree to disagree.

[Miekenstien]

Yeah, the CBA penalizes heavily on teams in the future who spend but mark my words, Cuban will be a top spender again in no time. Cuban is an excellent politician, all the successful business men are. Go ahead and take him at face value if you want but I don't buy it. "stated" opinion.[/I]

cuban is all passion. he won't care at all about spending again later. and he has a very good sense of what is allowed to be said and what isn't. but i think even for him 1:1 is way different then 3:1 4:1. i think maybe only new york or the lakers will be in that upper bracket in the future. *****if rogers can somehow make a television deal here in canada as nice as new york has, toronto could get up in that top bracket. i hope they know someone***

[Apollo]

Is Tyson Chandler a superstar? Not in my book.

Who said he was?

If he had matched the Chandler, Butler, and Barea offers, would the Mavericks be able to offer max offer to Deron Williams this Summer? No.

I understand that completely. Everyone in here seems to understand that. If you read the all the posts you'll see that where the disagreement is in whether or not his moves legitimately restocked him for a title defense or if he truly cared about that this particular season. Also tell me what Deron Williams has done? He drove away a hall of fame coach and then forced his way off the Jazz only to stink it up in Jersey. Yeah, he posts numbers but his attitude leaves something to be desired. Maybe he silences the critics, maybe it's in Brooklyn.

When Lamar Odom was acquired, did it increase the Mavericks chance to win the championship? Yes.

No it did not. Not if you take the sum of all the moves he did. That's like me mugging you and then coming back a minute later and placing a nickle in your pocket and then asking you if I improved your finances? Take something out of context and you can paint it any color under the moon.

What I hear you saying is Cuban should have gone all-in to try to repeat, regardless of whether if would remove all flexibility for the next few years.

What I actually said is Cuban didn't give a shit about defending a title and had looked past this season to free agency 2012. All his comments and transactions were designed around not hurting his cap number for this summer. He didn't fill the holes left by the outbound guys. He brought in a couple bigger names on the way down who didn't fit the system at all.

You appear to disapprove of his actions, I am in the opposite camp. We'll agree to disagree.

I didn't say that. Read the thread.

cuban is all passion. he won't care at all about spending again later. and he has a very good sense of what is allowed to be said and what isn't. but i think even for him 1:1 is way different then 3:1 4:1. i think maybe only new york or the lakers will be in that upper bracket in the future. *****if rogers can somehow make a television deal here in canada as nice as new york has, toronto could get up in that top bracket. i hope they know someone***

Rogers is a corporation. Corporations are governed by CEOs who care about financial statements first and foremost. Toronto will never spend like that no matter what kind of TV deal is in place. That's my honest opinion. They'll spend to the threshold where they feel net income will decline and no further. It's all about owner distributions and executive bonuses in corporations. They'll do nothing which they feel limits that.

[ezz_bee]

You can call b.s. all you want. This is all spin tactics by Cuban.

I disagree. I don't think resigning Chandler, or Barea would have significantly improved their odds of repeating, and I don't see you really advocating that he should have done this either. In order for me to be convinced, I'd have to here some alternative strategies that he could/should have done.

Are you going to believe everything you read in a paper?

No, I apply critical thinking. Posts here hold just as much weight as online articles, I usually determine which ones I give more credit to based on how much hyperbole, and sweeping generalizations they use. Whether their argument is general or specific, and finally whether the argument reflects reality to a sufficient degree.

To avoid making a sweeping generalization myself, I am more likely to see an argument as have validity if it uses specific arguments, and tends to avoid hyperbole or sweeping generalizations. The part about the argument reflecting reality to a sufficient degree is mostly subjective.

Yeah, the CBA penalizes heavily on teams in the future who spend but mark my words, Cuban will be a top spender again in no time. Cuban is an excellent politician, all the successful business men are. Go ahead and take him at face value if you want but I don't buy it. I can think for myself thank you. My bullshit detector was personally calibrate...

I will mark your words. Everything I've read seems to substantiate that the new CBA will make a significant change to how teams operate, if it doesn't I will concede to you that I was wrong. Will Cuban be a top spender? I think that is likely, but I think that even the the top spenders will have to change how they operate to some degree.

Also Cuban was a top spender this year. Dallas was still 7th in the league in terms of Salary this year OUTSPENDING the SPURS, BULLS, CLIPPERS, SIXERS, GRIZZLES and HAWKS, among others. It's hard to argue that spending more money is what he needed to do to win.

And not to the specifications of Mark Cuban's "stated" opinion.

Fair enough, here's the article I was referring to

Mark Cuban Blames New Collective Bargaining Agreement for Mavericks’ Shortcomings


Mark Cuban elected to let the Dallas Mavericks’ key free agents walk away last summer, choosing to half-heartedly defend their championship, while biding biding their time and saving money for the future. The result? A humiliating sweep at the hands of the OKC Thunder. Cuban says the NBA’s new labor deal is to blame. From the Dallas Morning News: “He said he understands why, emotionally, fans are disappointed that Mavericks management didn’t bring back last season’s NBA championship team intact. But Cuban reiterated his season-long stance that he and vice president of operations Donnie Nelson put together the best team they could under the guidelines of the new Collective Bargaining Agreement. ‘I’ve heard some of the talking headless (media), and all I can tell you is, within the collective bargaining agreement we did everything possible to put the best possible team on the court,’ he said. ‘Period. End of story. If someone wants to read it (the CBA) and tell me otherwise, go ahead.’ […] So he has not had any second thoughts about not offering Tyson Chandler a multi-year contract in December, or taking the same approach with departing free agents J.J. Barea, DeShawn Stevenson and Caron Butler. ‘Hell no,’ Cuban said. ‘Nope. Not even a millisecond. Because those who are talking otherwise haven’t read the CBA and are just talking out their (expletive) without any foundation. But that’s what you guys do. Given what happened, I think we put together a damn good team. If we had one break, one call, one bounce, we’re having a completely different conversation and you’re thinking how smart we are instead of how stupid we are.’ Clearly, Cuban believes the biggest culprit in the Mavericks’ bumpy defense of the NBA title is the CBA. ‘If you want to nail me for something, I’ll be the first to admit that it was a huge (expletive) that I didn’t fight for the new (CBA) harder,’ Cuban said. ‘I said it before, I’ll say it again. It put us and other teams in a bad spot, and it was an overnight handshake deal that I should have fought harder. I’m the first to say that. That was my mistake, because once that thing passed, our hands were tied in a lot of respects. But within that, we did the best we could. And we’re not out of it yet.’ Cuban has chastised media members for not taking the time to read and fully understand the new CBA before forming opinions, and he reiterated that disappointment Saturday. Cuban pointed out that the Mavericks were under the luxury tax threshold before they agreed to acquire Lamar Odom from the Lakers. He said all of the roster decisions were based on trying to defend the title with the best team possible while keeping salary cap flexibility moving forward.”

Source Slam Online/

I think I did pretty good going off of memory.

Did Cuban try to keep some financial flexibility moving forward? YES
Does This "Tactic (of good management) Tarnish the Mavs Championship?" Not in my opinion.

Obviously the Mavs management wasn't perfect this year, but I don't see any action or inaction they took or didn't take that would leave me to believe that they somehow tarnished their championship.

That being said, I'd still be interested in hearing your thoughts on what they should have done differently. Because I am not convinced by your current line of reasoning.