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Thread: The point guard comparison - effectiveness of either Jose or JB at the point

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    Quote torch19 wrote: View Post
    The sample sizes are definitely very small, but I had also mentioned that in the post. However, the object of the post was to analyze which point guard worked better with similar line-ups. Although I agree that the sample sizes are not large enough to draw up a definitive conclusion, I mentioned that it was still somewhat a good indication on what each other brought to the forefront.

    I would have loved to have worked with better numbers, but I simply presented what was.

    For the object of my analysis, I believe I used the data that best settles my curiosity.

    I simply offered a fresh take on what otherwise was, a landslide debate in favour of Jose.
    To be fair you did mention that, Torch. And the fresh take is interesting

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    I sometimes wonder how Jose feels about all these Contenders to his throne - or maybe that should be Pretenders.

    I have to admit - I'm not a big fan of Bayless. Am I biased, and ignoring the stats - limited as they are. Or am I simply taking into account all the variables that seem to go with Bayless, and his quest to become our official Starting PG.

    The concerns/observations I have, could include:

    • Why does Jarryd play better when he starts. Is that petulance, or just a simple fact?
    • Why does Bayless feel he's a Starter (at this juncture), yet hasn't really been deserving of that position? Or more to the point, hasn't quite proven he has that quality?
    • Granted, Jose has had his injuries over time (too much playing time in my mind - including overseas), yet I'm concerned about JB's ability to maintain himself at the level of minutes Calderon has had?
    • Why do I feel our Offense runs smoother with JC, even though the limited stats give credibility to Bayless?
    • Why do I feel Jose is a better team & veteran presence? Or will in time, Jarryd become such a player?



    On another note (to which these stats bring out), they seem to indicate some obvious factors/questions:

    • We need a real Center
    • What happened to Ed Davis? I know some wondered why he didn't get more court time, but these stats seem to back how (or why) Casey allotted them as such.
    • And lastly - and yes they are limited stats - it gave a little up to Andrea, who really gets little respect.



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    Actually there are more consistent stats, with less noise and more predictability: wins produced. They have Jose at .200 or so and Jerryd at .075 where .100 is an average NBA player.
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    Quote Kuh wrote: View Post
    Actually there are more consistent stats, with less noise and more predictability: wins produced. They have Jose at .200 or so and Jerryd at .075 where .100 is an average NBA player.
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    WP48 is a very precise calculation and also offers a very good indication on the player's production. By summing up all of the wins produced by every player on the Raptors roster, you should be able to obtain the actual number of wins (in this case, 23) with a margin of error of 2.5

    The actual number of summation of wins is 24.73, which goes to say that the calculation was accurate.

    However, I ask you this question. Can you credit 20 of those wins directly to these three players? - Amir Johnson, Jose Calderon and Ed Davis ? -- as indicated by those statistics.

    I offered one line-up with Jose, DD, JJ, Ed and Amir and they were not very effective together. You might argue that it has to be DeMar/JJ since their WP48 are -0.03 and -0.06, respectively.

    In my defense, I would offer you that the more effective line-up the Raptors had this season included a line-up of:
    - Jerryd Bayless - Gary Forbes - DeMar DeRozan - Linas Kleiza and - Ed Davis
    where two of those three players were not included.

    But again, it is all left for interpretation. I agree that Jose is a very good point guard, and I remember reading an article before that presented WP48 and summation of wins as the basis of the report. But to fully credit 81% of Toronto's victories to Ed, Amir and Jose solely ......
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