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    Default Do u ever watch IND wistfully? Does IND success change Raps prospects for you? (23)

    It's not fun to torture yourself with the "what if?" game but here i am
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    It's not fun to torture yourself with the "what if?" game but here i am
    Not really - the usually boring off season should be fun for Raps fans.

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    me neither. i watch a lot of other teams games but haven't watched any pacers games by choice. happy for barbosa though.

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    Im hoping they whoop the Heat, I watch all playoff games.

    Bosh is out and Dwayne only had 5 points in Game 2.
    George Hill is BEASTING on fools, and the shit disturber Granger is getting under LBJ's skin.
    And last but not least Hibbert got post moves like a motha.

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    The Miami vs. Pacers series has been awesome. Great games to watch! I'm hoping the Pacers take Miami out. I usually dislike the Pacers but, really there team is built well. Good job Larry!

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    It's not fun to torture yourself with the "what if?" game but here i am
    I assume your talking about Hibbert?

    Yeah it sucks how all that went down...but no point in dwelling on it...all that is only going to serve to mind fuck yourself.

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    Quote .40 Cal Flakes wrote: View Post
    I assume your talking about Hibbert?

    Yeah it sucks how all that went down...but no point in dwelling on it...all that is only going to serve to mind fuck yourself.
    Hibbert and Granger (Joey Graham).

    And to a lesser extent, Barbosa.
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    It's not fun to torture yourself with the "what if?" game but here i am
    I don't think the torture is necessary. That pick was made on behalf of Indiana. The reality is Toronto most likely would not have even picked him.

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    I don't think the torture is necessary. That pick was made on behalf of Indiana. The reality is Toronto most likely would not have even picked him.
    The real issue is their drafting.Think the pick came as a surprise to them! In their defence, they probably knew what a good pick it was - immediately after he was pick though...lol! Don't think I will raise the ire of many posters with this statement but not a good drafting team after the lottery is putting it lightly. On a positive note, I strongly suspect DC/Stefanski influence will produce much better results.

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    The real issue is their drafting.Think the pick came as a surprise to them! In their defence, they probably knew what a good pick it was - immediately after he was pick though...lol! Don't think I will raise the ire of many posters with this statement but not a good drafting team after the lottery is putting it lightly. On a positive note, I strongly suspect DC/Stefanski influence will produce much better results.
    From my memory in 2007 Hibbert was considered a top 5-7 pick coming out of Georgetown as a junior. He decided to go back and he ended up at 17.

    For all this talk about players going back to increase their stock, I am struggling to think of any player who was a top 5 pick who went back and actually increased their stock. Blake Griffin is the only one coming to mind.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    From my memory in 2007 Hibbert was considered a top 5-7 pick coming out of Georgetown as a junior. He decided to go back and he ended up at 17.

    For all this talk about players going back to increase their stock, I am struggling to think of any player who was a top 5 pick who went back and actually increased their stock. Blake Griffin is the only one coming to mind.
    Real danger with this draft...lol! At least they are in the lottery where it's much harder to totally mess things up. Looks like the premium on potential and athleticism might be too high?

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    Good thing to remember though is how long it took Granger and especially Hibbert develop. We (i'm looking at you, BC) gotta be patient with our young guns. Is this the offseason to go out and get a couple solid vets for a shootout at the OK corral, or should we wait another year, not just for the new draft pick but to let big Val and whoever we draft develop THEN go to war?

    It makes my brain hurts just thinking about it all
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    I'll take Jonas over Hibbert ... no question.

    Whatever happened since passing on Granger, dealing the pick that ended up being Hibbert, missing George by a few picks ... it all led to the offseason of 2012 - where I think we're in the best state the franchise has been in for a looong time!
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    Hibbert
    Granger
    Collison (this one is even dumber, but remember how a bunch of us were crying out for BC to trade for him when NO let it be known they were willing to deal him?)


    I'm by no means a draft pundit or anything but i remember hoping Granger and Hibbert would be drafted and being enraged when the likes of Joey Graham and Jermaine O'Neal became raptors instead. Especially JO.

    And now here i sit, watching the team of "could have been raptors" enjoy playoff success.

    One day it'll be us, one day! *single tear*
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    Hibbert
    Granger
    Collison (this one is even dumber, but remember how a bunch of us were crying out for BC to trade for him when NO let it be known they were willing to deal him?)


    I'm by no means a draft pundit or anything but i remember hoping Granger and Hibbert would be drafted and being enraged when the likes of Joey Graham and Jermaine O'Neal became raptors instead. Especially JO.

    And now here i sit, watching the team of "could have been raptors" enjoy playoff success.

    One day it'll be us, one day! *single tear*
    I was one of those. I still think he can be good but, like so many players, it depends on the situation and system he is in.

    Granger and AI are really sore points for me. I sat through each draft and had fingers crossed for both only to be let down.

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    if it takes long for them to develop then y'all need to shut up and stop ripping on demar, Jerryd, and maybe Ed.

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    Off topic a bit...does anyone know what that very visible disagreement was between Wade (who is acting more of a douche each day) and Spoelstra?

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    The player I fret about most is Paul George who was picked a couple before ED. That was the type of wing we all hope we could draft...and I do believe BC had his eyes on him...but...sigh.

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    The player I fret about most is Paul George who was picked a couple before ED. That was the type of wing we all hope we could draft...and I do believe BC had his eyes on him...but...sigh.
    That raises an interesting thought (at least to me):

    Many, myself included, have talked about the dreaded purgatory of not good enough to draft a superstar but not bad enough to make the playoffs or, if they do, go deep. In a nutshell that was the Pacers for years. Looking at their roster we see (age in parenthesis):

    Granger (29) picked 17
    Barbosa (29) picked 28
    Collison (24) picked 21
    Hibbert (25) picked 17
    Hill (26) picked 26
    George (22) picked 10
    Hansbrough (26) picked 13
    West (31) picked 18th (by NOH) and signed as a free agent this year.



    Does this change anyone's feelings about the current situation with Toronto? I know there was a lot animosity recently about the Raptors dropping to the 8th overall pick versus the top 5 that so many, myself included, thought was a given.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    That raises an interesting thought (at least to me):

    Many, myself included, have talked about the dreaded purgatory of not good enough to draft a superstar but not bad enough to make the playoffs or, if they do, go deep. In a nutshell that was the Pacers for years. Looking at their roster we see (age in parenthesis):

    Granger (29) picked 17
    Barbosa (29) picked 28
    Collison (24) picked 21
    Hibbert (25) picked 17
    Hill (26) picked 26
    George (22) picked 10
    Hansbrough (26) picked 13
    West (31) picked 18th (by NOH) and signed as a free agent this year.



    Does this change anyone's feelings about the current situation with Toronto? I know there was a lot animosity recently about the Raptors dropping to the 8th overall pick versus the top 5 that so many, myself included, thought was a given.
    It would if Indy had drafted all those players, but most of them were acquired in trades. You might get lucky once or twice drafting mid-1st round, but I seriously doubt a legitimate contending team can be built by drafting in that mid range year after year. I don't think anybody ever claimed that there are never good players (especially 2nd unit rotation/role players) to be had, it's just unlikely for the same team to consistenty acquire playoff caliber talent without picking high in the lottery (or using free agency and/or trades - which is what Indy has done).

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