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    I don't mean to come off harsh, I realize your new. But, this is one of the most common topics on the forum. I'm gonna say members have had this conversation prolly 100 times since I joined.

    It's like the old hooker that just has been used and abused and has every disease in the book. But, somehow just keeps on getting some.

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    @Connected

    I don't mean to come off harsh, I realize your new. But, this is one of the most common topics on the forum. I'm gonna say members have had this conversation prolly 100 times since I joined.

    It's like the old hooker that just has been used and abused and has every disease in the book. But, somehow just keeps on getting some.
    Nah, I get it. I'm new so no skin off my back. If this was reddit my thread would probably get downvoted into oblivion.

    So let's look at it another way--

    It seems like all ball fans set OKC Thunder as the benchmark to build at team (key draft moves) they've done amazing

    but lets look at a few other teams [who have made smart draft choices and kept those players as their core --- and are competitive] since 2004:


    76ers
    2004 Igoudala 2005 Louis Williams 2007 Thaddeus Young 2008 Marreese Sprieghts 2009 Jrue Holliday 2010 Evan Turner ......... prime example - they haven't all been homeruns but very solid selections -- Brand was a key signing but he hasn't earned his huge salary

    Pacers
    2005 Danny Granger 2008 Roy Hibbert 2009 Tyler Hansborough 2010 Paul George .... West signing has given them an edge but once again a very well drafted core since 2004

    Bucks
    2005 Ersan İlyasova 2008 Luc Richard Mbah a Moute 2009 Brandon Jennings 2010 Larry Sanders ......... I left out Bogut beacuse he got shipped out and even when he was with them he was injured half the time so he hasn't really contributed to their current rise

    Hawks
    2004 Josh Smith 2005 Marvin Williams 2009 Jeff Teague .... Joe Johnson for Diaw was obviously a huge trade for them and Williams was a relatively big bust considering the talent that came in the draft after him... but the hawks have managed to stay competitive with the core they have drafted

    Bulls
    2004 Loul Deng 2007 Joakim Noah 2008 Derrick Rose 2009 Taj Gibson / James Johnson (I just put JJ there for raps fans)

    Honourable Mentions that don't meet my criteria are Utah Jazz (Deron, brewer, Millsap, Hayward, Kanter) and Spurs (their core formed well before 2004 Duncan, Parker, Ginobili and even now they always find diamonds in the rough)


    It's good to look at the past and it's okay to beat this horse to death because mistakes were definitely made by the raptors and these are all examples of teams who have built through the draft

    The raps need to do this

    Colangelo's set up of -- Bargnani, JV, DeMar, Davis and 2012 pick could potentially be a decent core... if JV and 2012 pan out we could get a key signing like a West/Brand/Boozer (did someone say Nash?) then we could enter playoff territory

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    @Connected

    I don't mean to come off harsh, I realize your new. But, this is one of the most common topics on the forum. I'm gonna say members have had this conversation prolly 100 times since I joined.

    It's like the old hooker that just has been used and abused and has every disease in the book. But, somehow just keeps on getting some.
    Nah, I get it. I'm new so no skin off my back. If this was reddit my thread would probably get downvoted into oblivion.

    So let's look at it another way--

    It seems like all ball fans set OKC Thunder as the benchmark to build at team (key draft moves) they've done amazing

    but lets look at a few other teams [who have made smart draft choices and kept those players as their core --- and are competitive] since 2004:


    76ers
    2004 Igoudala 2005 Louis Williams 2007 Thaddeus Young 2008 Marreese Sprieghts 2009 Jrue Holliday 2010 Evan Turner ......... prime example - they haven't all been homeruns but very solid selections -- Brand was a key signing but he hasn't earned his huge salary

    Pacers
    2005 Danny Granger 2008 Roy Hibbert 2009 Tyler Hansborough 2010 Paul George .... West signing has given them an edge but once again a very well drafted core since 2004

    Bucks
    2005 Ersan İlyasova 2008 Luc Richard Mbah a Moute 2009 Brandon Jennings 2010 Larry Sanders ......... I left out Bogut beacuse he got shipped out and even when he was with them he was injured half the time so he hasn't really contributed to their current rise

    Hawks
    2004 Josh Smith 2005 Marvin Williams 2009 Jeff Teague .... Joe Johnson for Diaw was obviously a huge trade for them and Williams was a relatively big bust considering the talent that came in the draft after him... but the hawks have managed to stay competitive with the core they have drafted

    Bulls
    2004 Loul Deng 2007 Joakim Noah 2008 Derrick Rose 2009 Taj Gibson / James Johnson (I just put JJ there for raps fans)

    Honourable Mentions that don't meet my criteria are Utah Jazz (Deron, brewer, Millsap, Hayward, Kanter) and Spurs (their core formed well before 2004 Duncan, Parker, Ginobili and even now they always find diamonds in the rough)


    It's good to look at the past and it's okay to beat this horse to death because mistakes were definitely made by the raptors and these are all examples of teams who have built through the draft

    The raps need to do this

    Colangelo's set up of -- Bargnani, JV, DeMar, Davis and 2012 pick could potentially be a decent core... if JV and 2012 pan out we could get a key signing like a West/Brand/Boozer (did someone say Nash?) then we could enter playoff territory

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    Nash will be gone by the time we reach there. If not he'd be around for one season.

    I see what you're saying. It's all about management really. I'm curious to see what Stefanski brings this summer.

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