You did make it clear...I was just buggin' ya.
You raise some legit points regarding Howard. But as a sports fan, what he's done to the Magic franchise has left a very sour taste in my mouth (I feel especially bad for SVG).
As great of a talent Howard is, I can't say with certainty that I'd be happy to see him in Toronto (speaking purely about his character).
"I don't lie. I willfully participate in a campaign of misinformation." - Fox Mulder
I beleive Bynum is in the player option year of his contract (I could be wrong)? If so, not much risk involved.
The only issue with this is the Lakers have NO interest in giving up Bynum for Bargnani and Calderon. They would be considered a laughing stock for making such a poor trade
What is Bargnani worth around the league anyways? No one knows and I'm beginning to think it's because no one offers anything of significance to even banter about it. Bynum is an all-star (with poor medical history mind you) while Andrea is not (and starting to develop some injury conerns of his own).
If Bynum works out you have arguably a top 2 centre (he's much better than Howard offensively) playing on your team. He doesn't work, you have sign and trade options and in the worse case scenario he up and leaves you have cap space and the rebuild continues the way it should, but you got Bargnani's contract officially off the books, which I think is a positive going forward for this team.
We need to take chances with talents that are franchise changers and if they don't work (we know Bynum is immature at this point of his career), clean the slate and continue trying to acquire game-changing talent. The best player in that fictional trade is by far Bynum. I'll take my chances with the better player all the time.
I would trade any combination of players on this team for Bynum. Hell, I would trade all of the players on this team for Bynum (I'm only slightly exaggerating, too). A 20-12 centre who distorts the game for any of the detritus on this roster? Kuphcak would have me at hello...
Point's moot because the Raptors don't have the assets to make the trade (Hey Mitch, do you really want Dwight Howard? I've Jose Calderon, Demar Derozan and Andrea Bargnani! Hello, Mitch, hello? Ah, we got cut off...). Even if the Lakers went crazy and did that deal with Toronto, what makes anyone think that Bynum would sign here long term?
But it's not their country, and that's the way they probably look at it.I totally agree, FAs keep criticizing Canada for its taxes and weather, but what they dont get is that when they play in NY or LA, they get a state, when you play for Toronto, you get a country!
Howard and Bynum are not going to be in a Raps jersey. Valanciunas is their C of the near future, and I think they'll keep the seat warm with Gray in the meantime. They have other needs that need more immediate attention.
Bynum's teammates like him.
Howard's teammates don't like him.
Regardless of my opinion of Calderon and Bargnani (which I think are the two best players on our team) I'd welcome either Bynum or Howard (if they sign first) in a trade for them without having to think more than a few seconds. Both Bynum and Howard have been judged too harshly on their character in my opinion. I might be going a bit off topic, but considering some people brought it up in their reasoning why not to trade for either...
Bynum has to play with a completely selfish former mvp who somehow hasn't done a Duncan yet and thinks the offense should go through him ('this is what I do') and a coach who supports this style of play. Many times this season, and especially so in the fourth quarter, Bryant (and his followers in the line-up) totally ignored a Bynum who had established position on the low block. And many times, after having been ignored a couple of times, Bynum just stopped wrestling to get position; what's the use? On many an occassion possessions ended with Bryant taking an ill-advised shot and choosing not to go for good offensive execution. Now, that guy even continues to publicly criticise his teammates. Yes, he also does criticise himself, but only that he should make more of those bad shots, not that he should defer more to others. After about 300 bad shots this season by Bryant, Bynum took some threes showing that if he made a bad choice the coach would be critical (and not the 300 by the other guy) and also saying "remember me? I'm in a bad position now, but I can shoot bad shots as well you know, how about giving me the ball when I'm in a good position?"
Howard, on the other hand, is criticised for his trade demands and asking for another coach. In my opinion, management didn't do too well in Orlando, with handing out and dealing for bad contracts making it impossible to surround Howard with a solid supporting cast (who could have grown with him); almost all players they got after getting Howard were past their prime and only got worse. Terrible management. With Van Gundy, Howard had a coach who has had only one modus for a big part of their time together, scream, scream, scream. If I had a boss like that, I'd probably flip one day and punch him in the face. For all his acclaimed x's and o's knowledge, that would just not be acceptable for me. Besides: the story on his 'demands' of firing Van Gundy is that he didn't go talk with the owners (or gm, I don't remember) and demand a trade, but that they asked him in and asked what his view was on the team and organization. Saying that he'd like another coach if he does so, seems pretty reasonable to me if they ask you.
So ... in short: yes please, count me in.
I forgot to mention Bynum's Contract totally over pays him.
Andrew Bynum? No thanks.
Sure he's a great player when he feels like it. But he's been in the league 7 years. He's not a kid anymore.
I'd rather not pay franchise player money to a guy who I'm never sure is going to show up night in and night out.
Right. Seven years in the league and only 24 years old.
I think Bynum is just waiting to bust out offensively. Re: he likes to play when he wants to is unfair....I have noticed his frequent playing with injury. As someone else said he is being stifled offensively with Kobe & Pau & even Metta getting the majority of the shots.
Howard to Lakers, Calderone to Lakers, Bynum to Raptors, Bargnani and pick to Orlando.
I thought I turned down this idea already...why is this thread still going?
Classic.Perk was asked what the difference is between defending Tim Duncan and Andrew Bynum. “Well, Duncan is smart,” he said. DailyThunder.com
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