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    Default Raptors talking Lowry trades with Rockets?

    For his career, Lowry has averaged 10.4 points and 4.8 assists. Lowry has two very reasonable years remaining on his contract and will earn $5.75 million in 2012-1 and $6.2 million in 2013-14.

    The Raptors are extremely high on Lowry, so there is little doubt – despite Morey’s desire to keep Lowry in the fold – that he and Raptors GM Bryan Colangelo will discuss a Lowry deal. If that falls through the Raptors could instead pursue Dragic, though I do not know if he is a favourite of theirs like Lowry or not.

    After Lowry burned the Raptors for a game-high 26 points (including 4-for-4 from three) in a three-point win in Houston, I asked Raptors head coach Dwane Casey what he thought of Lowry and Casey lauded the guard for his toughness and ability.

    “He’s a hell of a competitor. He’s their heart and soul and spirit of their team and I love the way he plays,” Casey said.

    Long-time Raptor Alvin Williams, now a scout with the team, is extremely close with Lowry and is one of his mentors. Both are from Philadelphia and both played for Villanova. “Alvin is my main man,” Lowry once said.

    Complicating a potential deal would be the fact that Houston would have to be sure Dragic will re-sign long-term with the club to be its starter before opting to trade Lowry. That won’t happen until July 1st, after the draft. It would likely be Toronto’s pick – 8th before Wednesday’s lottery – that Houston would be after. The Rockets own the 14th pick (again, pre-lottery) and the 16th. It’s hard to see the Rockets wanting anything besides Toronto’s pick in a potential Lowry deal since Jonas Valanciunas and Andrea Bargnani won’t be on the table. DeMar DeRozan’s advanced stats likely don’t impress Morey, who is a huge believer in advanced statistical analysis.

    Plus there’s the fact other teams could make better offers. Lowry and Luis Scola nearly became Lakers last season in exchange for Pau Gasol and Gasol is very much on the block again and the Rockets have always coveted him.

    As well, Lowry has had injury issues including a torn ACL early in his career and has an edge. He was charged with battery after being accused of throwing a ball at a female referee during the lockout. Lowry apologized, received 100 hours of community service and impulse-control counseling.

    However, for years the Raptors have lacked extremely competitive, hard-nosed players and that’s a major reason why they haven’t had much success.

    Unless Dragic says he’s not coming back, Lowry’s likely moving somewhere. Would he be OK with supplanting Jose Calderon as starter in Toronto if Calderon is still seeing considerable time, some of it in the same backcourt as Lowry? Who knows.

    What we do know is he is not interested in splitting time with Dragic.

    “We’re both capable starters. We both want it. It’s going to have to be a situation where they make a decision on one of us.
    Source: Torontosun.com

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    I can't quite put my finger on it, but I'm just not that high on Lowry. He doesn't seem like a player who is capable of producing at his current level for the next 4-5 years. Maybe it's his attitude, or the fact that he doesn't excel in any particular facet. I don't know.

    I think I would be more excited about targeting Dragic.
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    The Raptors don't need to commit to him long term right now.

    There is something to take away from this if you read between the lines here. Lowry wants to be a starter. I think he's good enough to be one and he wants it badly enough that he doesn't want to be sitting on the bench watching Dragic next season. Colangelo is a bright guy, he knows this. He doesn't want another PG controversy, been there, done that. So if the rumor is true then what does this tell you about his plans for Jose this summer?

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    . So if the rumor is true then what does this tell you about his plans for Jose this summer?
    Don't kid yourself Jose is not in DCaseys Plan. He doesn't fit.
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    Don't kid yourself Jose is not in DCaseys Plan. He doesn't fit.
    You missed the point. Most people on here were of the opinion that Jose was relatively safe this summer until only recently. The shift away from that has coincided with the media's shift in it's belief.

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    You missed the point. Most people on here were of the opinion that Jose was relatively safe this summer until only recently. The shift away from that has coincided with the media's shift in it's belief.
    That may be true but I thought his (Jose) brand of defense was integral to the tank job of this short season. I am sure they did evaluation also but its clear Casey can never get his system in place with the point of attack so vulnerable.
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    Agreed on Jose. But I think most of us realized that Jose's time in Toronto was almost up when Colangelo went on the air last season and said he needs to find a PG.
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    No Lowry please, he's locker room cancer, i would rather take Goran Dragic or even Jonny Flynn

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    Is Lowry a clear upgrade over Jose? They both have their strengths and weaknesses, and I don't see either with a clear edge. They are both good starters, but not elite. Seems like a lateral move to me.

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    Quote tenforthewin wrote: View Post
    No Lowry please, he's locker room cancer, i would rather take Goran Dragic or even Jonny Flynn
    Jonny Flynn was a god-awful player the past two years. We can always pick him cheap the next time he is waived should the Raptors brass decides the tank must go full throttle.

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    Maybe it's stupid

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    Why is he locker room cancer again?

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    i don't think Bargs is as untouchable as we all think
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    i don't think Bargs is as untouchable as we all think
    +1

    I am not sure if they are talking about swapping picks

    Send jose + bargs + $$$ + #8
    get back Lowry / scola + # 14
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    Quote charlz wrote: View Post
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    I am not sure if they are talking about swapping picks

    Send jose + bargs + $$$ + #8
    get back Lowry / scola + # 14
    That is a horrible waste of assets in my opinion. How does that help the team at all? The Raptors might land a better player than Lowry or Scola at #8.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    That is a horrible waste of assets in my opinion. How does that help the team at all? The Raptors might land a better player than Lowry or Scola at #8.
    #8 and #14 is a coin flip - draft boards are all over the place - you save cap space if anything

    Jose is an aging liability - good assist man but no where near athletic enough to go against good guards he can play on a team in
    front of Hibbert or Howard where they can erase his mistakes.

    Bargs is the wild card here: I have turned off more raptor games in disgust because of his play than for any other reason in the past 5 years. However he was brilliant for 20 or so games so now everyone is on his nutz. If he reverts back to broken down or lazy Bargs he will be branded for life.

    Raps have enough bigs. They have to get a gamer @ the point to become anything. And scola is not chopped liver either. They will be very young and need hard nosed guy or two around to set the example.
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    Quote charlz wrote: View Post
    +1

    I am not sure if they are talking about swapping picks

    Send jose + bargs + $$$ + #8
    get back Lowry / scola + # 14
    I think the Raptors are getting short changed. That might be a bias on my part.

    Scola is 32 and is under contract for 3 more seasons. I would not want to be paying him $11M at 35 years of age.

    Take out the #8 and the trade is more reasonable.

    Lowry is a very good point guard but he is not all-star level.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I think the Raptors are getting short changed. That might be a bias on my part.

    Scola is 32 and is under contract for 3 more seasons. I would not want to be paying him $11M at 35 years of age.

    Take out the #8 and the trade is more reasonable.

    Lowry is a very good point guard but he is not all-star level.
    Lowry is a Jameer Nelson type player, good, but not great. I agree with your thoughts.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I think the Raptors are getting short changed. That might be a bias on my part.

    Scola is 32 and is under contract for 3 more seasons. I would not want to be paying him $11M at 35 years of age.

    Take out the #8 and the trade is more reasonable.

    Lowry is a very good point guard but he is not all-star level.
    Yes he is not an all star I agree
    - Raps have been a flaccid/ predictable / porous at PG for years (sorry to Jose fans)
    - I do like that he is just entering his prime - you need a few guys at that age to start winning at some point
    - I do think he would shine more brightly in DCasey's system.
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    Quote charlz wrote: View Post
    Yes he is not an all star I agree
    - Raps have been a flaccid/ predictable / porous at PG for years (sorry to Jose fans)
    - I do like that he is just entering his prime - you need a few guys at that age to start winning at some point
    - I do think he would shine more brightly in DCasey's system.
    I agree especially with the bold.

    I just think the cost compared to the long term benefits is too steep.

    I think the assets Toronto would be giving up are more valuable than the proposed return.

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