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    That trade would be a steal for the Bulls. The PG position is a severe need for the Bulls. This and Jose's capability/value which I believe is maybe just below Deng's if not equal to makes the rest of the deal a swap of #8 and #29. We also get the pleasure of absorbing 2 (not so cheap) years of Deng's contract as opposed to the 1 expiring and more absorbable one of Jose's.

    I'll drive BC to the airport.

    Chad F.should really stop brain farting in public forums.

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    Most (including myself) would say that Gay is clearly the superior player. But who was the all-star this year? Oh yeah.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    For the sake of argument, trading Calderon does not mean that Bayless is our PG. There would be other moves made in addition to this hypothetical trade.

    But in general, I agree that this move doesn't help the Raptors.
    How doesn't having an all star ace wing defender in the prime of his career help the Raptors?

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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    That trade would be a steal for the Bulls. The PG position is a severe need for the Bulls. This and Jose's capability/value which I believe is maybe just below Deng's if not equal to makes the rest of the deal a swap of #8 and #29. We also get the pleasure of absorbing 2 (not so cheap) years of Deng's contract as opposed to the 1 expiring and more absorbable one of Jose's.

    I'll drive BC to the airport.

    Chad F.should really stop brain farting in public forums.
    Its not a bad trade if the picks are left out of it. BC has to be sure Nash will sign on.

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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    How doesn't having an all star ace wing defender in the prime of his career help the Raptors?
    The Raptors' runs a flex offense that's heavily reliant on the UCLA cut. It doesn't allow for much spontaneity in plays.

    Luol Deng, however, thrives in a system where he can exploit his many talents at will: driving to the basket, posting up, spotting. That being said, I don't think he'll be able to replicate his success in Chicago here due to our rigid offense.

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    Leave the picks out of it and I'm a go.

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    Deng is vastly underrated on these forums (based on the comments I have read in the past few weeks). I am not a huge fan of this particular trade (haven't been excited about any trade that costs us the 8th pick this year); however, I would argue that Deng is a much bigger part of the culture of winning in Chicago than Gay was/is in Memphis.

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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    How doesn't having an all star ace wing defender in the prime of his career help the Raptors?
    Finally, a semblance of sanity has appeared in this thread. Thank you, good sir. I would make this trade in a HEARTBEAT, and I think Casey would have multiple orgasms if BC pulled the trigger. But, that being said, I don't have a clue about the severity of Deng's injury nor his prognosis. My feelings are based solely on Deng pre-surgery.

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    Quote The Coach wrote: View Post
    Deng is vastly underrated on these forums (based on the comments I have read in the past few weeks). I am not a huge fan of this particular trade (haven't been excited about any trade that costs us the 8th pick this year); however, I would argue that Deng is a much bigger part of the culture of winning in Chicago than Gay was/is in Memphis.
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    If I sit on the board of MLSE or ROGERS/BELL and Brian Colangelo tries to get approval for a deal like this.

    I fire his a$$ faster than you can say fredJonesKaponoHibbertHedoBargsLamarcusBosh-for-nothing

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    Quote LeeZ wrote: View Post
    Finally, a semblance of sanity has appeared in this thread. Thank you, good sir. I would make this trade in a HEARTBEAT, and I think Casey would have multiple orgasms if BC pulled the trigger. But, that being said, I don't have a clue about the severity of Deng's injury nor his prognosis. My feelings are based solely on Deng pre-surgery.
    You both need to lay off the crack cocaine. Deng is worse than iguodala and were giving up THE 8TH PICK for him. With the 8th pick we could get a player that will be much better than deng in a cople of years. Making this trade will not only make this team mediocre but it will get BC fired and the rebuilding project fucked up. If it was just deng for Calderon and maybe the 56th pick then it would make sense. But 8th pick in arguably the best draft in these past few years? Hell no

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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    How doesn't having an all star ace wing defender in the prime of his career help the Raptors?
    Nothing personal about Deng and his allstar selection. He was a Reserve All Star (whatever that means) and his coach Thibodeau was the coach of the East team. He "beat out" Josh Smith for that spot which says something about the selection process. Would you rather have Deng over J Smith? Like I said this supposed deal is an exchange of the 8th pick for the 29th which is worse or just as bad as an exchange of Josh Smith for Luol Deng. Hollinger says that Deng was 53rd in PER and had missed 25% of the Bulls games at that point. Even Deng for Jose straight up is uneven because of the contracts/no. of years. And the man is going to have his wrist operated on to boot.

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    I like Deng and all, but this aint worth it. Even w/ out the picks. And with that, which other SF's can we target? Not involving our pick.

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    the guy was a huge part of what could have been a championship team this season. If Noah didn't explode his ankle and Rose his knee. I don't think we are in any position to turn down all star SFs. Having said that this deal isn't likely

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    Quote Usagi_yo_Jimbo wrote: View Post
    I like Deng and all, but this aint worth it. Even w/ out the picks. And with that, which other SF's can we target? Not involving our pick.
    Unfortunately availability of good SFs this year are minimal and is the major reason why they command a premium. This is ok I suppose if it acquisition to take your team over the top sotospeak and become a major contender (at least 2 rounds of the playoffs). The Raptors are nowhere close to that status and with all the holes that exist on the team giving up the 8th pick in a draft and transaction like this one does not make sense. I am afraid some on the forum want to speed up the process to respectability and this is a recipe for mistakes. Nicolas Batum a SG/SF is a RFA but highly valued by Portland who will probably sign him even at a high cost if another team makes a play for him. All to say that if we do not draft one we stick with JJ & Kleiza to start the year and spend our assets in areas that are not in such short supply at this time. Gay who might have been available (but at a hefty cost) might not be now that the Grizzlies have new ownership. Stay tuned.

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    seems like the bulls are using roses off year to retool and reload by sending out a player who has a pretty large contract. so we send them a top 8 pick and 10 million in savings next year and absorb dengs contract this year giving them another 2.5 million this year in immediate savings when they are a team who will definately not be a the top of their game next year.

    bad trade for us to include the pick. why would we want to help an eastern conference team get rid of a player with history of nagging injury?

    i think the immediate cap savings of joses contract and a lottery protected 2013/14 pick is more then enough help for the current chicago dilemna

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    Deng is one of the better SFs on defense in the NBA, but the Raptors would have to sacrifice a lot in this trade. I would prefer the Gay trade. But I wouldnt be really disapointed with this trade if the Raptors would get a solid PG in free agency

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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    how doesn't having an all star ace wing defender in the prime of his career help the raptors?
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    If there is a follow up deal to get Tyreke somehow then I would be alright with this trade, Deng doesn't need to have the ball in his hands to be effective at least from I've seen and that way it's not so bad that Tyreke is dominating the ball. Plus then you do have somebody else that can dribble up the court and create their own shot... IMO it would make a nice line-up
    and since Calderon went back for him we still have some cap space after. The question is how though.
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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    How doesn't having an all star ace wing defender in the prime of his career help the Raptors?
    Deng can defend slightly better than JJ, and can hit shots when he's open...that's about it. Is that worth giving up a lotto pick for? Hell nawww!

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