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    Default PJ III = Charlie V?

    While some people on the board are high on PJ III, I just have this feeling that he will be Charlie V II.

    I think that Quincy Miller will be the stud SF to come out of Baylor. He is still just gaining confidence from his ACL surgery...it can take time to feel 100% comfortable in your mind. Mo Harkless has gotten some hype, but I think Miller will be the better pro.

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    For what it's worth, there was a rumor on CNNSI that had the Lakers interested in both Baylor players. It said the Lakers were exploring the possibility of acquiring a 1st round pick to grab one of them.

    I think PJIII could become one of the best players from the draft, or could be a total bust. His lack of effort and the fact he's an athletic, oversized SF is eerily similar to Beasley.

    As for Miller, I think the injury history is the big red flag. He would have been better off staying in school for another year to prove that he was over the injury and that he could dominate the NCAA game... he could've guaranteed his place as a top-10 lottery pick next year. Or he could have blown out his knee and ended his career... that's the risk that has teams dropping him to the early second round (per some mocks).
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    I don't know. Charlie had all the talent ready to make an impact right away and did. He didn't have any heart and this led to him being a fairly unreliable player.

    PJ has the heart but he doesn't have the polish to make an impact right away and maybe never will. This will lead to him being an very unreliable player.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    I don't know. Charlie had all the talent ready to make an impact right away and did. He didn't have any heart and this led to him being a fairly unreliable player.

    PJ has the heart but he doesn't have the polish to make an impact right away and maybe never will. This will lead to him being an very unreliable player.
    I've seen his heart questioned in many profiles and articles...

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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    I've seen his heart questioned in many profiles and articles...
    This is what made me think of the comparison.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    For what it's worth, there was a rumor on CNNSI that had the Lakers interested in both Baylor players. It said the Lakers were exploring the possibility of acquiring a 1st round pick to grab one of them.

    I think PJIII could become one of the best players from the draft, or could be a total bust. His lack of effort and the fact he's an athletic, oversized SF is eerily similar to Beasley.

    As for Miller, I think the injury history is the big red flag. He would have been better off staying in school for another year to prove that he was over the injury and that he could dominate the NCAA game... he could've guaranteed his place as a top-10 lottery pick next year. Or he could have blown out his knee and ended his career... that's the risk that has teams dropping him to the early second round (per some mocks).
    From what I know he has had one injury, and it does take time to mentally get back to 100%. I see him as a 3 and only a 3, and I like that more than some of the other combo forwards out there....

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    This symbol '+' means add ... putting PJ3 and Charlie V together ... maybe you need an '=' and then a '?'

    He's way more athletic than Charlie the chub, and bigger ... not as nice of a stroke right now.
    But I guess there could be some similarities ... tweener forward with questionable motor?
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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    I've seen his heart questioned in many profiles and articles...
    Alright, so PJ is raw and has no heart... Let's draft him!

    Seriously though, he's not like Charlie V. Charlie V as a rookie was more like Odom as a rookie. A much, much more polished, NBA ready player. PJ is more like Anthony Randolph in terms of where his abilities are right now.

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    This symbol '+' means add ... putting PJ3 and Charlie V together ... maybe you need an '=' and then a '?'

    He's way more athletic than Charlie the chub, and bigger ... not as nice of a stroke right now.
    But I guess there could be some similarities ... tweener forward with questionable motor?
    Noted.

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    Quote Papa Burgundy wrote: View Post
    This symbol '+' means add ... putting PJ3 and Charlie V together ... maybe you need an '=' and then a '?'

    He's way more athletic than Charlie the chub, and bigger ... not as nice of a stroke right now.
    But I guess there could be some similarities ... tweener forward with questionable motor?
    It was supposed to be an = sign, I hit the shift key instead.... thanks for fixing it.

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    No chance does Jones come in and put up the rookie numbers that Villenueva did. It's going to take a year for him to learn to play on the perimeter, and probably another year after that to get a solid shot and put it all together, if he ever does. I think he's got tremendous upside, but having a steep learning curve plus potential effort issues are a dangerous combination. Does he have what it takes to put up with re-learning the game for a year or two with little court-time/results to show for it? Could he handle a stint in the d-league, or would that make him completely lose any passion for the game? I think that with all he's been through, he's a character guy who I'd like to see succeed in the NBA. But I'm reluctant for Toronto to be the one to take a chance on him.

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    I think he's a long term project like Bargnani. Lots of ups and downs after a slow start.

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    watched his interview he doesn't see himself as a three

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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    watched his interview he doesn't see himself as a three
    He sees himself as a PF? That's really interesting. I would have assumed that he (or his agent at least), would prefer to market himself as a SF, as the modern NBA seems to have a love affair with ball-handling wings.

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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    watched his interview he doesn't see himself as a three
    That's interesting because just a few weeks ago, he said he DOES see himself as a 3.
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    That's interesting because just a few weeks ago, he said he DOES see himself as a 3.
    perhaps he should be red flagged for his vision issues

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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    perhaps he should be red flagged for his vision issues
    Why don't you give us proof instead of pulling stuff out of your ass

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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    perhaps he should be red flagged for his vision issues
    On twitter, I asked Eric Koreen (National Post) about his thoughts on PJ3. His response was:

    Today he said he was more of a 4, but was comfortable with either. He can't be less of a 3 than James Johnson.
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    Watched the interview, pretty sure he said he sees himself as a "forward".

    Either way, PICK HIM.

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    Why don't you give us proof instead of pulling stuff out of your ass
    I feel like this was a misunderstood joke, but I've been wrong before..

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    Quote Garbo wrote: View Post
    I feel like this was a misunderstood joke, but I've been wrong before..
    yes the joke went over his head. sees himself as a 3. sees himself as a four. must have eye problems. it wasn't an actual criticism.

    i thought it was a good joke thead.

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