oldmanweldon wrote:
+1 Terrence Ross will be a good player. I trust in the wisdom of Bryan Colangelo, and Dwane Casey.
+1 Terrence Ross will be a good player. I trust in the wisdom of Bryan Colangelo, and Dwane Casey.
I'm so pissed off about this pick I may actually move out of my parent's basement.
Eh follow my TWITTER!
Hey man, relax. It's just a game.
Come on now...you aren't moving out of your parent's basement...rent is expensive
Hibbert (a first round pick, 17th I think) wasn't his choice, it was made for him, it was just NBA rules that say you can't trade the pick. For example last night with Cavs and Mavs with Zeller. Zeller was picked by the Cavs GM, not by Dallas'.
Derozan is a bench player, he has no business starting with that shot and that defence.
Ed hasn't played enough but has bust written all over him, he plays as well as Ronny Turiaf.
Bargnani is......well he's Bargnani, no need to write what everyone knows.
JV hasn't played yet, so let's hope he's as good as the BCo hype machine has made him out to be.
This idea that BC is a good drafter is based on a lot of nothing. Isiah Thomas was a good drafter, if only we could have him draft and then immediately leave before he ruins and rapes everything in site.
Rap of the day.
Ed was taken 13th in one of the worst drafts in NBA history. He's not a bust if he plays to expectations, and all that was reasonably expected of him was solid rotation player. He's also 23. Writing him off after two crummy-ish seasons is like declaring your child will never be a biologist because he failed a 2nd grade science test.
When looking at a guy's draft history you have to look at the picks that were made after the pick that was chosen to see if he could have done any better. In most cases Bryan picked the best player even with hindsight. This includes his time in Phoenix as well.
Here is a rundown of the picks he made - I included notable 2nd round picks. Draft slot is in brackets:
1994 - Wesley Person (24)
1995 - Michael Finley (21)
1996 - Steve Nash (15)
1997 - Stephen Jackson (42)
1998 - [no picks]
1999 - Shawn Marion (9)
2000 - Jake Tsakalidis (25)
2001 - [no picks]
2002 - Amare Soudemire (9)
2003 - Zarko Cabarkapa (17)
2004 - Luol Deng (7)
2005 - Nate Robinson (21)
- Marcin Gortat (57)
2006 - Andrea Bargnani (1)
2007 - [no picks]
2008 - [no picks]
2009 - DeMar DeRozan (9)
2010 - Ed Davis (13)
2011 - Jonas Valanciunas (5)
2012 - Terrence Ross (8)
Bryan isn't perfect.. no one is.. but he's made some good decisions with the cards that were dealt.
Now if you want to complain about the fact that he does not know how to trade up or down in a draft, I would have to agree 100%. He absolutely sucks at it. In fact I don't believe he's ever done that his whole career.
Last edited by planetmars; Fri Jun 29th, 2012 at 06:09 PM.
What I'm getting from the list is his Euro players are a but suspicious. Uh oh, Jonas.
Overall, solid draft record. A lot of other GM's have done worse.
“I don’t create controversies. They’re there long before I open my mouth. I just bring them to your attention.”
-- Charles Barkley
All you're doing is basing your argument only on the player's negativs.
Ed isn't a bust, he led the team in double-doubles the year before this past season.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/ed_dav...eer_stats.html
Derozan is averaging 16.7 points on the season, and 14.1 in his short three year career. The guy is improving his skills from year to year. Dwane Casey stated the fact that his defense improved, and his ability to do other things such as rebound and get others involved has come along. Watch the raptor games and you'll see. When Demar Derozan is acting aggressive, and the team is putting him in the right positions, he can be a hard guard. Dwane Casey stated the fact that he looks Demar to be the eventual closer in games, and that he has gotten stronger, and bulked up in a recent interview post-draft.
The two players' development were stunned because of they shortened season. No training camp, no coaching connection, no consistent practice time. Plus the team was undergoing a culture change, putting the development of players under the priority of establishing defense.
Jonas has had hype, but watch his games overseas, and you'll see he is nearly as good as people put him out to be.
10.8 PPG, 7.6 RPG, 63.4% FGP, 1.6 BPG, 80% FT%. Great numbers in the 2011/2012 Eurocup, he dominated the tournament, and still getting stronger and better as time goes on.The second European player off the board in the 2011 NBA Draft, Jonas Valanciunas spent the summer continuing to build his resume across the pond by leading Lithuania to a U19 World Championship victory and playing rotation minutes for the nation's Senior National Team, which finished 5th at the 2011 Eurobasket.
Returning to Lietuvos Rytas for the 2011-2012 season, the Lithuanian 7-footer has continued to make small, incremental strides, leaving plenty of room for optimism for his future arrival in the NBA.
Though he could not help Rytas advance out of the Euroleague qualifying round and has not shown tremendous improvement in any one area, Valanciunas is having a solid season in a bigger role that better reflects what the Raptors are likely going to expect from him long-term.
His efficiency as a scorer has not wavered significantly this season despite playing next to a more scoring oriented guard in Tyrese Rice who doesn't create pick and roll opportunities quite as well as Sarunas Jasikevicius did a year ago.
Seeing a much higher rate of touches with his back to the basket compared with last season, Valanciunas continues to score both prolifically (19.5 points per-40) and efficiently (66% FG%, 83% FT%) through 20 games –a trend worth keeping an eye on as he matures offensively.
Valanciunas still hasn't had the time off needed to properly work on his body due to his incredibly busy summer schedule, and thus remains underdeveloped physically.
He continues to foul at a high rate as well, but is showing more flashes of midrange jump shooting potential—which will surely serve him well in the future. His new role has had somewhat of an impact on his proficiency on the offensive glass and passing numbers, but Valanciunas continues to stay true to his game, and execute, two big reasons why he was selected to play in last summer's Eurobasket.
Considering his increased playing time and usage this season, the fact that he continues to score with deft touch in the paint, make an impact with his work ethic on both ends, and play with impressive efficiency are all promising signs for a 19-year old only scratching the surface of his potential.
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz1zDpdQUKP
http://www.draftexpress.com
I knew before new orleans made their pick that it was highly unlikely harrison barnes would get past g state.
But, i just hoped.
Oh well, i was a bit cofused about the pick. Like wait who is this?
I wasn't upset but confused. lets see what this guy can do anyways.
If the punditry was so convinced with Ross being rated as a late teens-20s pick, how come he was invited to the Green Room? Isnt that by invite only for potential lottery picks.
The Raptors may have been the author of that request.
I like your posts. Kudos.
Welcome to the board!!
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6'7 shooting guard with game i am happy, even more happy rivers wasnt taken
Terrence Ross has all the tools we want from a wing player: athleticism, 3 point ability, mid-range, defensive instincts.
He also has an "average" dribbling ability at the very least. He has a nice right to left cross-over, a nice step back jumper. In perspective, he has more tools than DeRozan, to be honest. Although DeMar has the ability to slash and finish around the rim.
Honestly, DeRozan, being a 6'7'' athletic wing, with a 6'9" wingspan, would be suited for the 3 spot, especially since he can't really shoot. If they aren't talking sh!t and DeMar actually has since been putting on muscle, I have a lot to be excited about. DeMar finished last season at 216 lbs. If he can put in a solid 10 lbs of muscle, I see him as a fit to play the 3 for longer stretches than last year. To put that into perspective, Amir added 20 lbs last year, and Ed added 16 lbs. 10 lbs of added bulk should not be a stretch.
“I don’t create controversies. They’re there long before I open my mouth. I just bring them to your attention.”
-- Charles Barkley
Wooooooooooo, what does being Italian have to do with his picks? Yeah, take a deep breath!
There was a report somewhere that Huston was going to take him at 12!
Surely they were not picking him regardless...were they going to let Barnes or Lillard pass if they fell? BC said he was 8th on their board I believe. I thought invites are made by the NBA ...dont know if by team interest.
true...would be interesting to hear how that came about
from what i can find, this was the green room lineup
Harrison Barnes (UNC)
Bradley Beal (Florida)
Anthony Davis (Kentucky)
Andre Drummond (UConn)
John Henson (UNC)
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (Kentucky)
Jeremy Lamb (UConn)
Meyers Leonard (Illinois)
Damian Lillard (Weber State)
Austin Rivers (Duke)
Terrence Ross (Washington)
Dion Waiters (Syracuse)
Tyler Zeller (UNC)
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