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    Default Aaron Gray a UFA?

    pardon my ignorance - but with all the offers going around Gray's name did not come up.

    Is he gone? asking too much?

    I thought DC was happy with his rugged interior play.
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    I read somewhere that they plan on signing him just because he's a good option and he's affordable. I don't have the article to point to however
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    At the right price I would love to have him back.

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    We should sign him. Could start for Jonas until he gets used to the nba grind, then can be a decent backup for jonas.

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    Pretty sure he's a UFA. He signed a one year deal as a UFA last season.

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    Aaron Gray is the definition of solid back-up centre.
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    BC and Dwane mentioned that Aaron Gray and Jamaal would be options to re-sign.

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    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    BC and Dwane mentioned that Aaron Gray and Jamaal would be options to re-sign.
    And to me both should definitely be back with the team.

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    aaron gray was able to make alabi expendable. haha. with luck he has another hard fought game and gets the mvp chant. i bet that makes work horses love toronto and douchemonkies think we don't understand the game

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    Quote charlz wrote: View Post
    pardon my ignorance - but with all the offers going around Gray's name did not come up.

    Is he gone? asking too much?

    I thought DC was happy with his rugged interior play.
    Raptors have his bird rights.

    Unrestricted free agents don't need to get tendered a qualifying offer - only restricted.

    He is a cap hold though and if the Raps are looking to sign another team's free agent he does count towards the cap unless he is renounced (I believe his cap hold is $2.5M). At that point the Raptors can no longer go over the cap to sign him and would be limited to an exception (which they probably renounced to get cap space as well) or a minimum contract.

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    Quote charlesnba23 wrote: View Post
    And to me both should definitely be back with the team.
    I believe so too. If Nash agrees to our offer (looking good for us, but don't wanna jinx), we would use Jose in a S&T, trade, or hopefully not, amnesty to free up space for guys to re-sign, and sign in free agency. A lot of action in the first day for the Toronto Raptors.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Raptors have his bird rights.

    Unrestricted free agents don't need to get tendered a qualifying offer - only restricted.

    He is a cap hold though and if the Raps are looking to sign another team's free agent he does count towards the cap unless he is renounced (I believe his cap hold is $2.5M). At that point the Raptors can no longer go over the cap to sign him and would be limited to an exception (which they probably renounced to get cap space as well) or a minimum contract.
    holy smokes dude Matt52 knows his stuff (y)
    thx

    I hope the price is right and they keep him. He is not going to draw any attention on the offensive end but he is a tough SOB in the paint... very annoying to play against, and legit 7 footer.
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    [QUOTE=charlz;139791 He is not going to draw any attention on the offensive end but he is a tough SOB in the paint... very annoying to play against, and legit 7 footer.[/QUOTE]

    this is why i love mcroberts. gray is fantastic in his role. i think that hump might be the best at it now unlike when he was still a raptor with dreams and starlight in his eyes. hump is never outworked and that is what you want in this role and gray suits it very well. i do like how mean mcroberts is though.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Raptors have his bird rights.
    I'm pretty sure we don't. To qualify for the Bird exception, the player (Gray) must not have signed a new contract with a new team for 3 consecutive years. Since Aaron was a UFA last off-season (contract with Hornets expired) and signed with a new team (Raptors), his "Bird right clock" is reset.

    EDIT: Double-checked with Coon, and it seems to be correct.

    ADD: Obviously we can still use a chunk of the MLE to sign him if we happen to be over the cap at that point, so it's a not a huge problem if we really want him back.
    Last edited by jrdyck; Mon Jul 2nd, 2012 at 01:38 PM.

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    Quote jrdyck wrote: View Post
    I'm pretty sure we don't. To qualify for the Bird exception, the player (Gray) must not have signed a new contract with a new team for 3 consecutive years. Since Aaron was a UFA last off-season (contract with Hornets expired) and signed with a new team (Raptors), his "Bird right clock" is reset.

    EDIT: Double-checked with Coon, and it seems to be correct.
    I might have the wrong terminology but my understanding is the Raptors can go over the cap to sign their own free agent.

    I'd be interested in what you read regarding the double-checked with Coon.

    HoopsWorld.com and ShamSports.com have a cap hold of $3.0M which is 120% of his previous salary.

    I concede the Raptors might not be able to offer full 5 years and annual raises of 7.5% but I do believe they can go beyond the salary cap to resign him as long as they do not renounce his cap hold.

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    I believe it falls under the bolded section


    NON-BIRD EXCEPTION -- This is also a component of the Veteran Free Agent exception. Its name is somewhat of a misnomer, since Non-Bird really is a form of Bird rights. Players who qualify for this exception are called "Non-Qualifying Veteran Free Agents" in the CBA. They are veteran free agents who are neither Qualifying Veteran Free Agents nor Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agents, and include the following:

    Players who finished the season with a given team, who have played no more than one season without being waived or changing teams as a free agent.
    Players who were Early Bird free agents, but whose team renounced its right to use the Early Bird exception to re-sign the player.
    Players who were to be Larry Bird or Early Bird free agents, were playing on one-year contracts, and were traded mid-season.
    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25

    The Exceptions table from Q#25 linked above is a little more clearer
    Last edited by jbml; Mon Jul 2nd, 2012 at 03:01 PM.

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    Quote jbml wrote: View Post
    I believe it falls under the bolded section




    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25

    The Exceptions table from Q#25 linked above is a little more clearer
    Like I said, I did misuse the term of Bird Rights however the Raptors can sign him going over the salary cap without the use of any exception as long as they do not renounce his caphold to sign another free agent.

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    Quote charlz wrote: View Post
    holy smokes dude Matt52 knows his stuff (y)
    thx

    I hope the price is right and they keep him. He is not going to draw any attention on the offensive end but he is a tough SOB in the paint... very annoying to play against, and legit 7 footer.
    I don't know it all. See comments below.

    I did misuse the term Bird Rights. What I meant was the Raps can sign him going over the cap without having to use an exception so long as they do not renounce his caphold in an effort to sign another free agent.

    Now I'm 98% certain on this. If someone has a link to the contrary, I'd appreciate it.

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